An interesting article about Monosanto.

[NickieL]

Thought some might be interested in this, if this is the wrong forum then feel free to move it. The link takes you to an on-line issue of Heirloom Gardener magazine from Baker Creek. It deals with wiki-leaks concerning Monosanto, USA and the EU.
Go to page six.
http://rareseeds.com/flip-magazin/index.html

[sevenmmm]

Too small of type to read, but the headline says it all. Monsanto has killed more life than any other corporation and now it is in the altering natural life. Soon all honey bees will be altered and no one can do a thing about it ('cept tear down Monsanto)(I'm all for that!)..

[NickieL]

you can enlarge it, by clicking on the page, there is a magnifier.

[Raeven]

Nickie... good catch. I will need to source the assertions to confirm, but Wiki Leaks has a good track record.

Just... wow.

[Heritagefarm]

Article was taking too long and hogging all the bandwidth. What was it, 100 megs? ANy other place to view it? I'm always interested in hearing slams against the Spawn of Satan.

[NickieL]

Originally Posted by Heritagefarm

Article was taking too long and hogging all the bandwidth. What was it, 100 megs? ANy other place to view it? I'm always interested in hearing slams against the Spawn of Satan.

sorry, I don't know of any other place to get it unless you find a place selling the print copy in the newstand.

[haypoint]

OK, I found it.

[haypoint]

The World of Scary Food LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The US grows a lot of Roundup Ready crops. The US has free trade with Europe. Most countries accept free trade as a way to increase their exports, but don't really want to import stuff that competes with their own stuff.

Let's say Mexico was getting sugar from us, free trade. Suddenly, they decide that they only want sugar made from Cane, not corn or beet sugar. The US would have to call "BS" and if they continued, we could stop importing their automobile parts. Give and take. Happens all the time.

Canada leases its timber for next to nothing to Canadian loggers, giving Canadian lumber companies an unfair advantage, so the US restricts Canada softwood.

The US farmers use BGH and Roundup Ready crops. Europe doesn't. While they could use this method, they can separate themselves from US products, keeping the door shut on US imports of grain and beef. It has been argued that these restrictions go way beyond science or common sense.

The US farmer isn't going to go back to non-GMO grains, but they want free trade. But Europe won't take down those artificial barriors on their own. Push comes to shove. That's how world trade works.

For awhile, South Korea was fussy about US beef, because of the Mad Cow deal a few years ago. They understood that the prions were in the spinal cord and marrow. So they imported onlt bone-less cuts. They reserved the right to reject an entire shipment of tons of beef, it they found one bone flake. But they still wanted to ship cars to us.

This kind of stuff goes back and forth all the time on all sorts of products. It is no secret.

Round up has a very low toxicity and breaks down quickly. Currently, there are more toxic herbicides used against broad leaf weeds in lawns. Round up ready blue Grass would lower the toxins in the soil, reduce groundwater and open water contamination and reduce the cost of maintaining a lawn or pasture.

Scary stuff, not.

[Hollowdweller]

Originally Posted by haypoint

The World of Scary Food LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The US grows a lot of Roundup Ready crops. The US has free trade with Europe. Most countries accept free trade as a way to increase their exports, but don't really want to import stuff that competes with their own stuff.

Let's say Mexico was getting sugar from us, free trade. Suddenly, they decide that they only want sugar made from Cane, not corn or beet sugar. The US would have to call "BS" and if they continued, we could stop importing their automobile parts. Give and take. Happens all the time.

Canada leases its timber for next to nothing to Canadian loggers, giving Canadian lumber companies an unfair advantage, so the US restricts Canada softwood.

The US farmers use BGH and Roundup Ready crops. Europe doesn't. While they could use this method, they can separate themselves from US products, keeping the door shut on US imports of grain and beef. It has been argued that these restrictions go way beyond science or common sense.

The US farmer isn't going to go back to non-GMO grains, but they want free trade. But Europe won't take down those artificial barriors on their own. Push comes to shove. That's how world trade works.

For awhile, South Korea was fussy about US beef, because of the Mad Cow deal a few years ago. They understood that the prions were in the spinal cord and marrow. So they imported onlt bone-less cuts. They reserved the right to reject an entire shipment of tons of beef, it they found one bone flake. But they still wanted to ship cars to us.

This kind of stuff goes back and forth all the time on all sorts of products. It is no secret.

Round up has a very low toxicity and breaks down quickly. Currently, there are more toxic herbicides used against broad leaf weeds in lawns. Round up ready blue Grass would lower the toxins in the soil, reduce groundwater and open water contamination and reduce the cost of maintaining a lawn or pasture.

Scary stuff, not.

Good overview.

I'm an organic gardener and against herbicides generally but another thing is soil loss. When they used roundup ready crops they don't have to plow and so there is less loss of top soil.

[texican]

I can't wait till we get rid of Monsanto and all commercial farming once and for all.... along with about 6 billion folks that depend upon them. The world will have time to heal, global warming will no longer be a concern, and anyone surviving will be able to do whatever they please!

[NickieL]

Originally Posted by haypoint

The World of Scary Food LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The US grows a lot of Roundup Ready crops. The US has free trade with Europe. Most countries accept free trade as a way to increase their exports, but don't really want to import stuff that competes with their own stuff.

Let's say Mexico was getting sugar from us, free trade. Suddenly, they decide that they only want sugar made from Cane, not corn or beet sugar. The US would have to call "BS" and if they continued, we could stop importing their automobile parts. Give and take. Happens all the time.

Canada leases its timber for next to nothing to Canadian loggers, giving Canadian lumber companies an unfair advantage, so the US restricts Canada softwood.

The US farmers use BGH and Roundup Ready crops. Europe doesn't. While they could use this method, they can separate themselves from US products, keeping the door shut on US imports of grain and beef. It has been argued that these restrictions go way beyond science or common sense.

The US farmer isn't going to go back to non-GMO grains, but they want free trade. But Europe won't take down those artificial barriors on their own. Push comes to shove. That's how world trade works.

For awhile, South Korea was fussy about US beef, because of the Mad Cow deal a few years ago. They understood that the prions were in the spinal cord and marrow. So they imported onlt bone-less cuts. They reserved the right to reject an entire shipment of tons of beef, it they found one bone flake. But they still wanted to ship cars to us.

This kind of stuff goes back and forth all the time on all sorts of products. It is no secret.

Round up has a very low toxicity and breaks down quickly. Currently, there are more toxic herbicides used against broad leaf weeds in lawns. Round up ready blue Grass would lower the toxins in the soil, reduce groundwater and open water contamination and reduce the cost of maintaining a lawn or pasture.

Scary stuff, not.

Why do big corps think they have the right to FORCE other countries who are opposed to the control over their food systems that Monsanto wants ? Why should they be forced to accept potential devastating genes into their food and seed supply? I certainly don't want it. Everything here is already getting tainted, even the wild plants.

[sevenmmm]

Originally Posted by texican

I can't wait till we get rid of Monsanto and all commercial farming once and for all.... along with about 6 billion folks that depend upon them. The world will have time to heal, global warming will no longer be a concern, and anyone surviving will be able to do whatever they please!

Me too.

[sevenmmm]

I already posted this link on another thread, has relevance here as well:

http://www.postcarbon.org/article/61...rices-threaten

[sevenmmm]

Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

Good overview.

I'm an organic gardener and against herbicides generally but another thing is soil loss. When they used roundup ready crops they don't have to plow and so there is less loss of top soil.

There are other methods using cover crops that that build up the soil AND it not necessary use toxic poison on the land.

[NickieL]

Originally Posted by sevenmmm

There are other methods using cover crops that that build up the soil AND it not necessary use toxic poison on the land.

exactly! Chemicals are not always (and seldom really is) the answer. It may be FASTER and EASIER but at what cost to the future?!

[sisterpine]

Yes there are many ways to produce food- some really good healthy ways in fact. Though I doubt at this point that small farms could even feed the masses in America? I think we need some big commercial farms even though they dont do it my way. Not every american in new york city has space for a country garden.

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by NickieL

Why do big corps think they have the right to FORCE other countries who are opposed to the control over their food systems that Monsanto wants ? Why should they be forced to accept potential devastating genes into their food and seed supply? I certainly don't want it. Everything here is already getting tainted, even the wild plants.

It isn't big corps forcing anything. It is countries. We (US) grow GM Corn and GM Soybeans. The governments of Europe have used this fact to create a way to ban US corn and soybeans from being imported. But they want (get) free access to the US market for other things.

You are free to believe what you want but the scientific facts prove otherwise. There are no devastating genes in our food or seed supply. Food in this country is safer than ever, partly because farmers do not need to use dangerous pestacides, due to GMO.
What wild plants are tainted?

[sevenmmm]

Originally Posted by sisterpine

Though I doubt at this point that small farms could even feed the masses in America?

Probably not sister. But the Monsanto stockholders would be pleased to know Monsanto is also expert at killing people. So they make money either way.

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by texican

I can't wait till we get rid of Monsanto and all commercial farming once and for all.... along with about 6 billion folks that depend upon them. The world will have time to heal, global warming will no longer be a concern, and anyone surviving will be able to do whatever they please!

You are wrongly assuming that everyone will simply lay down and die. I doubt that. More and more ground would be turned up and planted to crops, even environmentally fragil areas. Much more fuel would be needed to cultivate without weed killers. More erosion and loss of top soil due to cultivation. Irrigation would be a way to increase yeilds, exhausting our water table.Sensitive grasslands would be needed to grow corn and soybeans. Highly erodable lands would be needed as crop land.

The earth has been through a few Global Warming and just aas many Ice Ages. All without our weak efforts. One Mt St. Helen threw up more gasses and soot than every tail pipe for the past 100 years.

You depend on Monsanto and the modern agriculture that goes with it. Because when it fails, a few of those 6 billion people are gonna come and gobble you up, Mmmmmm..... Texan....

[SquashNut]

Wow, I though people on this forum wanted the right to choose the foods they eat, but all of a sudden other countries don't. More power to the countrys that have banned monsanto and their vile concoctions. They must realize their food choices could make or break their county.