jus' doin' work US Citizens won't do....

[haypoint]

From the L. A. Times

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10. 2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.

(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County. )

(All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida , and New York )results from immigration.

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.



Sort of hard to call it cheap labor isn't it? Cheap for big business, costly for tax payers.

[ghmerrill]

That's why we should throw open the borders. Shut down all assistance for them, anyone can come in, they must post a bond of enough to buy a one way ticket home, have a sponsor who willbe responsible for helping them get started, and be required to pass a spoken and written English fluency test.

[Curtis B]

Originally Posted by ghmerrill

That's why we should throw open the borders. Shut down all assistance for them, anyone can come in, they must post a bond of enough to buy a one way ticket home, have a sponsor who willbe responsible for helping them get started, and be required to pass a spoken and written English fluency test.

Or get the government to enforce the current laws and quit giving them assistance.

[TheMartianChick]

Do you happen to have a link to this information? Some of it seems as though it was gathered in a manner that wouldn't exactly be deemed trustworthy. I can see how there would be data which backs up how many radio stations are Spanish speaking, or the number of illegal aliens in prison. How do they determine how many are living in garages?

[Sonshine]

If they know all of this, why aren't they deporting them?

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by TheMartianChick

Do you happen to have a link to this information? Some of it seems as though it was gathered in a manner that wouldn't exactly be deemed trustworthy. I can see how there would be data which backs up how many radio stations are Spanish speaking, or the number of illegal aliens in prison. How do they determine how many are living in garages?

I saved this data from the LA Times on a document and don't recall the link. But it was a few years ago. Do you think it has gotten better or worse?

I guess you could figure how many are living in garages by checking 1000 garages and multiplying the number of garages in LA?

[haypoint]

Originally Posted by Sonshine

If they know all of this, why aren't they deporting them?

The Republicans want the cheap labor and the Dems want the potential voters.

[Yldrosie]

LA is a Mexican city now. You can drive for miles and never see a white person. The won the war, and never fired a shot.

[Tricky Grama]

Originally Posted by Sonshine

If they know all of this, why aren't they deporting them?

B/c its Kalifunia, democratic socialism at its finest.

[ninny]

Originally Posted by haypoint

The Republicans want the cheap labor and the Dems want the potential voters.

Well then, I must not be either 'cause all I want is for them to be GONE, ASAP..

[JuliaAnn]

Surely y'all have heard of La Raza...

[MO_cows]

Ya know, the statistics for crime, abuse of taxpayer funded benefits or whatever should not even matter. They are here ILLEGALLY, period, that is what matters. If they were caught in some other countries after entering illegally, they could face execution or a heck of a lot worse consequences than here. Yet every time there is tough talk about our borders, here come the bleeding hearts who want to let them sneak in and live in the underbelly of our society because they think it's better here than where they came from. News flash, it's better here than most other places and we simply can't absorb the disadvantaged populations of the entire world! Unless we can control our borders, we are not truly a free and sovereign nation. Makes me so mad I could spit at the politicians who played the wink, wink, nod, nod game for years and years, letting the infiltation get to this point. After 9/11, I really thought that things would change because look how easy terrorists could sneak in, but no, that didn't even motivate any real change.

[shanzone2001]

Speaking as a native of this fine Welfare State, sounds about right, but most likely worse than the article described.
I work in a large city in CA and have to drive over an hour to get home and feel remotely safe.

[HeelSpur]

Originally Posted by MO_cows

Ya know, the statistics for crime, abuse of taxpayer funded benefits or whatever should not even matter. They are here ILLEGALLY, period, that is what matters. If they were caught in some other countries after entering illegally, they could face execution or a heck of a lot worse consequences than here. Yet every time there is tough talk about our borders, here come the bleeding hearts who want to let them sneak in and live in the underbelly of our society because they think it's better here than where they came from. News flash, it's better here than most other places and we simply can't absorb the disadvantaged populations of the entire world! Unless we can control our borders, we are not truly a free and sovereign nation. Makes me so mad I could spit at the politicians who played the wink, wink, nod, nod game for years and years, letting the infiltation get to this point. After 9/11, I really thought that things would change because look how easy terrorists could sneak in, but no, that didn't even motivate any real change.

[Ozarks Tom]

Aren't sanctuary cities great? After passing the recent law, it's getting harder and harder to find illegals in Alabama.

[Oldcountryboy]

Originally Posted by JuliaAnn

Surely y'all have heard of La Raza...

Yep, and it's happening all over the south.

Originally Posted by Ozarks Tom

Aren't sanctuary cities great? After passing the recent law, it's getting harder and harder to find illegals in Alabama.

I believe Alabama and Georgia was where they was showing on the news of acres and acres of crop going to waste cause there wasn't any mexican alliens to do the picking. The locals wouldn't dare do such hard work.

[texican]

Originally Posted by haypoint

F
Sort of hard to call it cheap labor isn't it? Cheap for big business, costly for tax payers.

Ever have any work on your place? Where you needed real men doing real work, out in the hot 100 degree sun, with 75% humidity, with shovels, axes, machetes... fire ants, wasps, poison ivy/oak... etc.???

Good luck finding an American Citizen to come out and work their buttkuss off all day long, and come back the next day for more.

I've never hired an illegal. If I ever expected to get some 'bulk work' done, it'd take illegals to get it done....

Would you return for a second day of work, in the aforementioned conditions? I wouldn't. I do show up for my own 'slave driving'... try and get two to three hours a day in, while it's half cool.

I don't like the cerebral thought of illegals in the country... However, someone does have to do the work. No one (ok, not talking to the folks on here that 'would'... hey, this board is full of strange birds) is going to work like a mule, for minimum wages.

Btw... last time I had interactions with illegals, even they wouldn't work for minnie wages... start out at $8/hour.

[JeffreyD]

Originally Posted by texican

Ever have any work on your place? Where you needed real men doing real work, out in the hot 100 degree sun, with 75% humidity, with shovels, axes, machetes... fire ants, wasps, poison ivy/oak... etc.???

Good luck finding an American Citizen to come out and work their buttkuss off all day long, and come back the next day for more.

I've never hired an illegal. If I ever expected to get some 'bulk work' done, it'd take illegals to get it done....

Would you return for a second day of work, in the aforementioned conditions? I wouldn't. I do show up for my own 'slave driving'... try and get two to three hours a day in, while it's half cool.

I don't like the cerebral thought of illegals in the country... However, someone does have to do the work. No one (ok, not talking to the folks on here that 'would'... hey, this board is full of strange birds) is going to work like a mule, for minimum wages.

Btw... last time I had interactions with illegals, even they wouldn't work for minnie wages... start out at $8/hour.

A few years ago, I hired a contractor to build a retaining wall. His crew showed up and were working at 7am on the nose. It was August and by 1pm the temps were hitting 112. No complaints from the crew who were all citizens. They did a great job and I have hired them back a few times since. Good work for a decent rate! I was born and raised in L.A., and my parebts still live there, we live just outside the city limits! Sure has changed since I was a we lad! And not for the better!

[Harry Chickpea]

Migrant crop work will be a dying way of life quickly anyway.
No slaves, no tenant farmers, and cotton harvesters got invented.
In Florida, sugar cane harvest was labor intensive until the migrant camp owners got busted for enslaving workers, and suddenly there was a lot of cane harvesting machinery.

Robotics and computers have already taken over a lot of processing. It won't be long before more crops are handled with robotics. Robots don't pee or poo on crops creating listeria and e-coli outbreaks. When mega farms understand the reduced liability, expect a lot of those low paying jobs to vanish.

[pancho]

Originally Posted by Harry Chickpea

Migrant crop work will be a dying way of life quickly anyway.
No slaves, no tenant farmers, and cotton harvesters got invented.
In Florida, sugar cane harvest was labor intensive until the migrant camp owners got busted for enslaving workers, and suddenly there was a lot of cane harvesting machinery.

Robotics and computers have already taken over a lot of processing. It won't be long before more crops are handled with robotics. Robots don't pee or poo on crops creating listeria and e-coli outbreaks. When mega farms understand the reduced liability, expect a lot of those low paying jobs to vanish.

Same thing happened in manufacturing. Machinery took over the jobs of thousands of people. Then manufacturing went away. Don't think farming will go away though.