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Christian and Muslims
I have a question for the Christians here, based on some things I've seen in other threads that I don't entirely understand. Are Muslims primarily enemies that must be defeated or are they souls to be saved? I'm asking strictly about individual Muslims, not the whole of Islam.
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Acts 10:34 says - .....: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial.
Also of benefit is Jesus words at Matt 10:44-45
However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; 45-that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.
The principal is to love all and share the Good News with them and not condone bad practise.
True religion would follow these principals. I only know of one religion that will not go to war against any other. Actually NOT go to war at all. TO love all. How can one love their enemy and war with them. How can one be of the same religion and go to war with those of the same religion?.
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12/12/11, 01:32 PM
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Different religions never get along with each other. Even people within the same religion don't get along. Nothing new. If, magically, the world was reduced to just two religions there would still be wars caused by religion. Guess even if there was only one religion it wouldn't stop people from fighting over religion.
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12/12/11, 02:27 PM
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Ryan, I'd suggest you go to the source of Christianity, being the gospel/scriptures, and read and LEARN for YOURSELF. There is no substitute for learning from the 'source'. You can ask different people and get different answers, but until you educate yourself, you'll never have a satisfactory answer. Christ commands us to love eachother as we love Him. Love the sinner, hate the sin would be the Christian Lite version. However, God is equally clear about what happens to those who will not believe. You just have to read and learn for yourself.
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12/12/11, 04:11 PM
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I have studied and I have my own beliefs about it. I'm just wondering what others believe. I have seen quite a bit of animosity toward Muslims here, and I'd really like to know if that's the general feeling of people. Of course some Muslims are terrorists, and I have no problem with killing them. But some people seem to think that ALL Muslims are out to convert everyone to Islam and if they haven't shown it yet it's because they're just waiting for a chance to slit your neck. I just don't believe that's true. I actually know a lot of Muslims and I honestly think most of them are as serious about Islam as most Americans are about Christianity. But those who think all Muslims want to kill us are too cautious to get to know any of them. Just hoping I'm not the only one who believes in saving souls, even Muslim souls.
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12/12/11, 05:32 PM
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I also think you're only asking half the question.... why do so many muslims want to kill Christians and Jews? You need to research the roots of that hatred to see where it springs from.
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Originally Posted by ryanthomas
I have studied and I have my own beliefs about it. I'm just wondering what others believe. I have seen quite a bit of animosity toward Muslims here, and I'd really like to know if that's the general feeling of people. Of course some Muslims are terrorists, and I have no problem with killing them. But some people seem to think that ALL Muslims are out to convert everyone to Islam and if they haven't shown it yet it's because they're just waiting for a chance to slit your neck. I just don't believe that's true. I actually know a lot of Muslims and I honestly think most of them are as serious about Islam as most Americans are about Christianity. But those who think all Muslims want to kill us are too cautious to get to know any of them. Just hoping I'm not the only one who believes in saving souls, even Muslim souls.
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My beliefs are quite similar to yours except that I don't try to convert them from their beliefs. Instead, I try to learn about the religion and culture. I have had quite a bit of contact with Muslims over the years and find that they are much like any other group of people.
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Originally Posted by ryanthomas
I have a question for the Christians here, based on some things I've seen in other threads that I don't entirely understand. Are Muslims primarily enemies that must be defeated or are they souls to be saved? I'm asking strictly about individual Muslims, not the whole of Islam.
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My guess is that there are Muslims and there are radical Muslims. The one group is willing to live and let live like most other Christians, while the other group wants to kill/enslave everyone not Muslim.
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12/12/11, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm
My guess is that there are Muslims and there are radical Muslims. The one group is willing to live and let live like most other Christians, while the other group wants to kill/enslave everyone not Muslim.
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That's what I think, too.
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12/12/11, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JuliaAnn
I also think you're only asking half the question.... why do so many muslims want to kill Christians and Jews? You need to research the roots of that hatred to see where it springs from.
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No, that is not part of the question at all. I understand Islam well enough.
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12/12/11, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMartianChick
My beliefs are quite similar to yours except that I don't try to convert them from their beliefs. Instead, I try to learn about the religion and culture. I have had quite a bit of contact with Muslims over the years and find that they are much like any other group of people.
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Do you consider yourself a Christian? This question is coming strictly from curiosity, not any desire to argue.
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12/12/11, 10:07 PM
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are they souls to be saved
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for me this officially
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12/12/11, 11:03 PM
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Yep, God sent His Son to save *everyone*.
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12/13/11, 06:13 AM
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I heard a comment once that struck me. 'What if when you die you find out the other guy was right. His God was the one true God.'
Made me think.
Religion is only a belief. If there were any truth it would be fact not faith.
You really never know.
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Originally Posted by Heritagefarm
My guess is that there are Muslims and there are radical Muslims. The one group is willing to live and let live like most other Christians, while the other group wants to kill/enslave everyone not Muslim.
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There ya go.
There IS a mandate in their quaran.
And there's only a very small % who want us all killed. Maybe .05% or 1%?
Do the math, there's over a billion muslims.
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Originally Posted by ryanthomas
I have a question for the Christians here, based on some things I've seen in other threads that I don't entirely understand. Are Muslims primarily enemies that must be defeated or are they souls to be saved? I'm asking strictly about individual Muslims, not the whole of Islam.
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God said:
Matthew 28:18-20
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
WHY He said it?
Psalm 139:13-16
13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
Genesis 1:26-27
26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
John 1:12
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
Acts 10:43
All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
Romans 3:22
This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference
Hope that helps!!
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I don't hate anyone, but the Bible does tell us to be wise as the serpent and as gentle as the dove. As a Christian I believe that Jesus died for everyone and it's my desire to lead others to Christ. I'm not naive enough to believe that all will follow Christ or will agree with my faith.
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12/13/11, 11:32 AM
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be wise as the serpent and as gentle as the dove.
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That may be the perfect mindset in this regard. Thanks for the answers everybody. I was just getting discouraged by the "all Muslims want to kill us" stuff I've heard lately. Good to know there are others who believe salvation is available to everyone (even those who do want to kill us).
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12/13/11, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama
There ya go.
There IS a mandate in their quaran.
And there's only a very small % who want us all killed. Maybe .05% or 1%?
Do the math, there's over a billion muslims.
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I wish we had an actual percentage. It would be interesting to know how many want to kill us and how many just want to live and let live.
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