Back to the Start.

[Fowler]

[Curtis B]

[naturelover]

Great video. Going back to the start means reducing the population though. Can't have one without the other.

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[tinknal]

Very good propaganda. does Chipolte practice what they preach?

[poppy]

Originally Posted by naturelover

Great video. Going back to the start means reducing the population though. Can't have one without the other.

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Not too many people, just too many liberals. If you had 3 hogs, some liberal group would call you greedy because some people had none. They would get government to force you to give 2 of your hogs to the needy and thereby gain the votes of those freeloaders. Leaving you with one hog makes it impossible to breed your sow, so the whole system collapses because all the hogs are gone but at lease you can feel good because you gave your fair share.

[naturelover]

Sorry Poppy, once again I haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

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[poppy]

Originally Posted by naturelover

Sorry Poppy, once again I haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

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Wish I could say I'm surprised but I can't.

[unregistered41671]

Good post Fowler. Thank you.

[zant]

Originally Posted by poppy

Wish I could say I'm surprised but I can't.

Poppy,we have a saying around here---"I can tell you..but I can't understand it for you"..nuff said.

[naturelover]

Some kinds of obsessions will never be understandable.

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[stormwalker]

Originally Posted by poppy

Not too many people, just too many liberals. If you had 3 hogs, some liberal group would call you greedy because some people had none. They would get government to force you to give 2 of your hogs to the needy and thereby gain the votes of those freeloaders. Leaving you with one hog makes it impossible to breed your sow, so the whole system collapses because all the hogs are gone but at lease you can feel good because you gave your fair share.

Nonsense!

[kasilofhome]

Those concerned with overpopulation can become personally more involed with the solution.

[naturelover]

Originally Posted by kasilofhome

Those concerned with overpopulation can become personally more involed with the solution.

I strongly suspect that pretty much everybody who's truly concerned with overpopulation has become personally involved with the solution by not having more than 2 children or not having any children at all.

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[AngieM2]

But how do you work on the overpopulation of the very poor countries that have lots of children hoping enough live to help them when the parent/s get old?

seems the population aware countries are the only ones doing the work to effect lower population, but doesn't that make less to help the ones that don't even have a tin roof to their name in the backwards areas of 3rd world, or lower countries.?

I think there is much more to it.

[kasilofhome]

Why would someone with such view even have 1 child? Personally I am not in the camp of overpopulation yet I have had no birth children. Why if someone preaches opverpopulation do they have no children and adopt if they wish the benifits of children? It seems that overpopulation (if real) is not solved by maintaining the population level by replacement at the same level. It is like being in debt but to continue spending at the same level you are then still in debt. I had no children because of my health issues and choices not to pass it on.

[naturelover]

Originally Posted by tinknal

Very good propaganda. does Chipolte practice what they preach?

I don't know anything about Chipotle but it looks like they're trying to do something helpful for small farmers in America. If you click on the link you can see the video and read more about the fundraiser they'll be holding on Halloween.

This Halloween, participate in Chipotle's Boorito fundraiser and help raise $1 million for The Chipotle Cultivate Foundation and Farm Aid.

http://www.cultivatefoundation.org/g...lved/abandoned

"Abandoned" and its accompanying soundtrack were commissioned by The Chipotle Cultivate Foundation to raise awareness about the economic hardship family farmers face in the increasingly industrialized American agriculture system.

In the film, director David Altobelli tells the story of three boys exploring an empty house late one night. The boys break into a farmhouse that was clearly abandoned in a hurry some time ago. As the three explore the house - and even begin to vandalize it - one boy slowly comes to see that the family that lived there was not so different from his own. He realizes that the house they are trashing could foreshadow the future of his own family's farm and home. A frightening moment in the house sends the boys running back to the comfort of their still-functioning farms.

On the soundtrack, Karen O of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs covers Willie Nelson's country music classic "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Cowboys."

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[naturelover]

Originally Posted by AngieM2

But how do you work on the overpopulation of the very poor countries that have lots of children hoping enough live to help them when the parent/s get old?

seems the population aware countries are the only ones doing the work to effect lower population, but doesn't that make less to help the ones that don't even have a tin roof to their name in the backwards areas of 3rd world, or lower countries.?

I think there is much more to it.

You're right, there is much more to it and there's kind of a stalemate happening. The theme of the video and the topic "back to the start" isn't about 3rd world nations or their overpopulations, it's about industrialization and how industrialization of food has had a detrimental effect on small farmers and created increasing strain on resources in America.

Ironically, the industrialization of food and the extended life spans of lesser populations in 1st world nations has caused 1st world nations to consume and waste twice as much resources as what were used in pre-industrial times and twice as much as what are used in non-industrialized 3rd world nations who have much greater populations than 1st world nations.

It's created a bit of a vicious circle and I don't think 1st world nations can do anything about over-population in 3rd world nations. If 3rd world nations become industrialized to the same extent that 1st world nations are now, then they might have smaller sized families but they will start using twice as much resources than what they use now, just as the 1st world nations are doing now.

There doesn't appear to be any happy medium or any apparent solution to imminent loss of all resources except for 1st world nations to reduce some of their industrialization and maintain lower populations and for 3rd world nations to increase some in industrialization and reduce populations.

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[Fowler]

Originally Posted by tinknal

Very good propaganda. does Chipolte practice what they preach?

Yes they do, I eat there.

Thanks for the debate too everyone, It was very interesting. And thanks for posting the link NatureLover. You do, do your research