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Should Barbara Walters have used the N-word?

Not sure, but it appears that there maybe a crack and a clear double standard in the black liberal line.....
one could almost say that some are even 'racist'??? Only blacks can use the 'n' word; heaven
help the '------' if they do so too......even if it is the world class liberal, Barb Wawa-Walters.


http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=673275&GT1=28103

"I'm saying when you say the word, I don't like it," said Shepherd, who said she has used it
among African-American family and friends. "When white people say it, it brings up feelings in me."

Walters had said her use of the word "gives me chills myself" and stressed that she was using it
only to explain the story. Shepherd said that Walters was free to use the word if she wanted to,
but that it made her uncomfortable.

"You can do anything you want, Barbara. You're Barbara Walters," she said.


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[QUOTE=copperkid3;5436082]Not sure, but it appears that there maybe a crack and a clear double standard in the black liberal line.....
one could almost say that some are even 'racist'??? Only blacks can use the 'n' word; heaven
help the '------' if they do so too......even if it is the world class liberal, Barb Wawa-Walters.


http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=673275&GT1=28103

"I'm saying when you say the word, I don't like it," said Shepherd, who said she has used it
among African-American family and friends. "When white people say it, it brings up feelings in me."

Walters had said her use of the word "gives me chills myself" and stressed that she was using it
only to explain the story. Shepherd said that Walters was free to use the word if she wanted to,
but that it made her uncomfortable.

"You can do anything you want, Barbara. You're Barbara Walters," she said.



......................It's her show and say can say whatever she wants ! That show is overstocked with obese black females , I'd fire the fatest of the two , and replace her with..........Hallie Berry , probably the best looking black female in the USA . , lol , fordy

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When doing a story BASED on a word, it seem logical to actually say it.

What they keep leaving out of the story is Perry didn't name the place and didn't own the place, or even lease it.

He just hunted there
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The only one in that group with any class at all is Elisabeth Hasselbeck, the rest of them are a bunch of busy body drama queens.
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Not sure? Why not? It's glaringly obvious... only blacks can use the word... and their own stupidity *those blacks who use it often* will ensure the word survives for future generations.

Black democrats can't be racist... didn't you know this? On the other hand, Black republicans are ALL racist Uncle Toms and Uncle Remus's...

Double standard? You think?
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If used in proper context as part of a news report or private discussion, I don't see any big deal about it.

My generation was taught "sticks and stones can break your bones but words can never hurt you." and we survived just fine. I have black friends and they have white ones and we arn't always politically correct but we always having a good time when we hang out together and none of us take offense with one another

Who gave birth to all these over emotional PC types out there now?

I remember working on the production floor one night and needing help so I call out to one of the black guys I worked with "Hey Kunta, come give me a hand here." and he did. 20 minutes later I was on the carpet in the line boss' office for using a racial slur until I asked him to pull up Kunta's personnel record and it showed the name on his I.D. as Kunta K. Johnson.
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I bet after that show Whoopi went back stage rolled up a fat one and gave Sherri a nice talkin' to.
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This is just another example of why black and white people will never live together as a true community. Sure, blacks and whites can live in the same areas but they do not mingle well. Sure, a small percentage of blacks and whites can mingle well and truely get along, but the majority of blacks and whites do not want anything to do with each other......and it is not just the whites who feel this way, as the liberals would like people to believe, the majority of the black population also have an equal disinterest and distaste for the white population.
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To answer the question of whether or not Barbara Walters should have used the word... I think that she should have. Not because of the tip-toeing nature of things, but because it is the news and the whole story should be told.

As to the issue as to whether or not there is a double standard... There is a four way split in the community about the use of the n-word.

There was a school of thought that while the n-word was historically derogatory, that it could be reclaimed if we (black people) chose to use it endearingly with eachother. Some folks bought into it and will refer to eachother in that way. As a way of saying that someone was close to them. Phrases like "that's my n-word" came about in that way. Some people thought that the stigma of the word could be erased in such a way.

Other African Americans feel that the term is derogatory and describes an ignorant person of any color and choose to use it only in that context. This group generally doesn't use the word often and feels that only a person of color should use it.

Yet a third group finds the word to be acceptable black slang to describe people who live the gang or street lifestyle. This is the reason that the word is often used in modern rap music. This group also feels that it is a word that is only owned by African Americans and is taboo for use by any other group, though Hispanics are often given a pass because many share African heritage and darker skin.

Then there are people like me who opt not to use that word...ever. I think that it is an ugly word and that it should be almost obliterated from the modern English language. As a person who writes and sees even synonyms as having a distinct separate meaning from each other, I find no useful purpose in using the n-word in my day to day life. I do believe that it should be kept in old books and because it conveys the thinking and verbiage of the time period. Substituting the term negro does not effectively convey the vileness of the sentiment behind the term, nor the frequency in which it was used to describe human beings who were once enslaved in a country that touted itself as allowing so much freedom.To me if the word isn't acceptable to be used by everyone, then I think that essentially, no one should use it in casual conversation.

Black people are different and view this word differently. It will likely always be a topic of racial division.
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Ok I think it all depends on how it is meant.I have Black friends I have used the N Word around and they know it is not to be negative but my FIL use to call me the N Word all the time just to be putting me down.

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...Who gave birth to all these over emotional PC types out there now?....
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The n-word was not always a bad word, it was just a name to for the black people who came from along the Niger River, the country of niger, and the nigeria region. Most slaves were exported from ports in nigeria. So, every slave coming from africa was most likely just called a Niger by white slave handlers (just like today how many americans call any and all asian persons "chinese") then americans mispronounce it to sound like the n-word. Niger in latin means black. The spanish who are said to be some of the first Europian people to explore the coast line of africa are said to have encountered a strange new people who were black skined, or to the spanish Negro, and they simply called them negro. So, the word itself is harmless, it is the hostility and hatred people have added to the word that have given it a racist over or undertone. It is like how some people say the word Jew innocently and it means nothing but a name for a group of people but then you have another group of people, who hate jews, and when they use the word they say it as though the person is dirty. it takes on a different meaning.

Another thing about this whole black and white racial mess in america, people are led to believe that whites were the only bad guys, but the africans themselves are just as guilty for selling off their black neighboring tribes who they had defeated in war or who they had intentionly went out on slave raids to capture to use for trade, and in america there was such a thing as a free person of color who was ether freed from slavery by their master or who bought themselve out of slavery, and these free people of color were just as quilty as white because they were allowed to buy and sell african slaves and they did.

In some states blacks could buy themselves out of slavery if they could match the price that they were appraised at by a slave appraiser, and if they could, then they were free and the status was legally binding. Slaves had off on Sundays, that is what the old testiment set down as the rules for holding slaves and americans followed the old testiment on this instruction. Sunday was the slave's day to rest, to go to church, and to do whatever they wanted to do. Many slaves did independent side work on sundays to earn money, the moeny they earned was theirs, it could not be claimed by their master...so, this is how a large amount of skilled, talanted, and sharp witted blacks bought themselves out of slavery. If you had none of those good qualities, then you were stuck being a slave, just like most of us today without those good qualities are stuck shlepping the nine to five for minimum wage.

Slaves did not work all the time. Down in south america and in some of the caribian, the slaves were only bound to work during the growing season and then after the harvest they had three or four months off to do whatever they wanted, that is how the carnival festivals came into tradition, to celibrate the end of the harvest and the start of the slave's long vacation.

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It was all just a TV show bit.

Walters played the stern, old-school white woman, using "the word".

Shepard played the emotional black woman, who can freely use "the word", but posesses rightous disdain, for those not "allowed" to use it.

This bit was as real, as a professional wrestling match, IMO.

The View is emotional entertainment, not journalism.
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The n-word was not always a bad word, it was just a name to for the black people who came from along the Niger River, the country of niger, and the nigeria region. Most slaves were exported from ports in nigeria. So, every slave coming from africa was most likely just called a Niger by white slave handlers (just like today how many americans call any and all asian persons "chinese") then americans mispronounce it to sound like the n-word. Niger in latin means black. The spanish who are said to be some of the first Europian people to explore the coast line of africa are said to have encountered a strange new people who were black skined, or to the spanish Negro, and they simply called them negro. So, the word itself is harmless, it is the hostility and hatred people have added to the word that have given it a racist over or undertone. It is like how some people say the word Jew innocently and it means nothing but a name for a group of people but then you have another group of people, who hate jews, and when they use the word they say it as though the person is dirty. it takes on a different meaning.

Another thing about this whole black and white racial mess in america, people are led to believe that whites were the only bad guys, but the africans themselves are just as guilty for selling off their black neighboring tribes who they had defeated in war or who they had intentionly went out on slave raids to capture to use for trade, and in america there was such a thing as a free person of color who was ether freed from slavery by their master or who bought themselve out of slavery, and these free people of color were just as quilty as white because they were allowed to buy and sell african slaves and they did.

In some states blacks could buy themselves out of slavery if they could match the price that they were appraised at by a slave appraiser, and if they could, then they were free and the status was legally binding. Slaves had off on Sundays, that is what the old testiment set down as the rules for holding slaves and americans followed the old testiment on this instruction. Sunday was the slave's day to rest, to go to church, and to do whatever they wanted to do. Many slaves did independent side work on sundays to earn money, the moeny they earned was theirs, it could not be claimed by their master...so, this is how a large amount of skilled, talanted, and sharp witted blacks bought themselves out of slavery. If you had none of those good qualities, then you were stuck being a slave, just like most of us today without those good qualities are stuck shlepping the nine to five for minimum wage.

Slaves did not work all the time. Down in south america and in some of the caribian, the slaves were only bound to work during the growing season and then after the harvest they had three or four months off to do whatever they wanted, that is how the carnival festivals came into tradition, to celibrate the end of the harvest and the start of the slave's long vacation.
While much of what you say is true, things go far deeper than what you posted and cannot be summed up in a few paragraphs. I don't know of anyone who was led to believe that whites were the only bad guys... The tribes in Africa were warring with eachother and didn't have any feeling of brotherhood towards eachother. When they captured and sold slaves, they saw it as shipping off their enemies and gaining access to more resources. They were not selling their own people, they were getting rid of the competition. It is an entirely different mindset.

A free person of color was forced to keep their papers on them at all times to prove that they were actually free. Can you imagine accidentally leaving your one official document at home and being snatched off of the street and sold to a plantation in the south? That is precisely what happened to Solomon Northrup and others like him. They just didn't have access to copiers to be able to have multiple copies of their documents.

Sundays off was nice in theory but it wasn't a reality for most slaves. They were forced to convert to Christianity and had to attend a church that taught them the meeker sides of the doctrine in an effort to keep them submissive. (Yes, I implied that Christianity was used as a tool of oppression against black people.) After church, they had to spend the time that was left doing chores and other things for their own families (assuming that their family members hadn't been sold off) because they would be expected to return to full-time slaving on Monday. At no point were they allowed to do whatever they wanted to do. If they were, they would have left and wouldn't have been under the thumbs of their oppressors.

The side money earned by slaves couldn't be claimed by their masters, huh? Somehow, I doubt if that was enforced. Slaves were kept ignorant of anything that might possibly benefit them and they knew that they were the property of their masters. There was no Board of Appeals that they could go to if their master stole the quarter that they earned from chopping wood for old Mrs. So & So on Sunday. If such a board had existed, the slave probably would have been chastised for having the audacity to go against the Bible by working on the Sabbath. Make no mistake about that!

While it is true that free blacks did buy slaves from time to time. In many cases, they were buying their own family members out of bondage. This was an attempt to reassemble the families, not to further enslave them. That is not to say that their weren't black slave owners who used their slaves for work...There were a few and I am not excusing their actions any more than I will excuse the behavior of slave owners of any other color.

Regardless of how skilled, talented or sharp-witted a slave was... they were still slaves. In order to buy their freedom, the master had to be willing to sell them. If they weren't for sale, then they were stuck as slaves. The odds of a slave being able to save enough money to buy their freedom without the master finding out were slim to none. It was illegal to teach a slave to read and write, so they were always kept at a disadvantage.

Modern history remembers the pottery works of Dave the Slave... His owners made a fortune off his talents and skills and he did have the ability to read and write...but he was still enslaved. His work is enshrined in the Smithsonian.

http://www.davetheslave.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_the_Slave



I am well-aware of the etymology of the n-word and most of its connotations. The Latin roots are only the beginning.
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While much of what you say is true, things go far deeper than what you posted and cannot be summed up in a few paragraphs. I don't know of anyone who was led to believe that whites were the only bad guys... The tribes in Africa were warring with eachother and didn't have any feeling of brotherhood towards eachother. When they captured and sold slaves, they saw it as shipping off their enemies and gaining access to more resources. They were not selling their own people, they were getting rid of the competition. It is an entirely different mindset.

A free person of color was forced to keep their papers on them at all times to prove that they were actually free. Can you imagine accidentally leaving your one official document at home and being snatched off of the street and sold to a plantation in the south? That is precisely what happened to Solomon Northrup and others like him. They just didn't have access to copiers to be able to have multiple copies of their documents.

Sundays off was nice in theory but it wasn't a reality for most slaves. They were forced to convert to Christianity and had to attend a church that taught them the meeker sides of the doctrine in an effort to keep them submissive. (Yes, I implied that Christianity was used as a tool of oppression against black people.) After church, they had to spend the time that was left doing chores and other things for their own families (assuming that their family members hadn't been sold off) because they would be expected to return to full-time slaving on Monday. At no point were they allowed to do whatever they wanted to do. If they were, they would have left and wouldn't have been under the thumbs of their oppressors.

The side money earned by slaves couldn't be claimed by their masters, huh? Somehow, I doubt if that was enforced. Slaves were kept ignorant of anything that might possibly benefit them and they knew that they were the property of their masters. There was no Board of Appeals that they could go to if their master stole the quarter that they earned from chopping wood for old Mrs. So & So on Sunday. If such a board had existed, the slave probably would have been chastised for having the audacity to go against the Bible by working on the Sabbath. Make no mistake about that!

While it is true that free blacks did buy slaves from time to time. In many cases, they were buying their own family members out of bondage. This was an attempt to reassemble the families, not to further enslave them. That is not to say that their weren't black slave owners who used their slaves for work...There were a few and I am not excusing their actions any more than I will excuse the behavior of slave owners of any other color.

Regardless of how skilled, talented or sharp-witted a slave was... they were still slaves. In order to buy their freedom, the master had to be willing to sell them. If they weren't for sale, then they were stuck as slaves. The odds of a slave being able to save enough money to buy their freedom without the master finding out were slim to none. It was illegal to teach a slave to read and write, so they were always kept at a disadvantage.

Modern history remembers the pottery works of Dave the Slave... His owners made a fortune off his talents and skills and he did have the ability to read and write...but he was still enslaved. His work is enshrined in the Smithsonian.

http://www.davetheslave.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_the_Slave



I am well-aware of the etymology of the n-word and most of its connotations. The Latin roots are only the beginning.
"I am well-aware of the etymology of the n-word and most of its connotations. The Latin roots are only the beginning." If something started out with innocence and good intention and then was twisted by the evil of the human mind, then why embrace the mangled thorny mess created by human hatred, why not just clean the word up and bring it back to it's original context, that way all peoples would be liberated from the nightmare that this word has become? it is better to bypass the poison then to drink it. If the word has become synonymous with the whole of african american history then all that does is make confussion because the word has history but it is not the history.

All my life I have been hearing from blacks about how evil us white people are for inslaving their people and frankly I am tired of it. My family never owned slaves so why should be given the guilt trip like I have something to appologize for? If having white skin makes me punishable for all the misdeeds of all whites then the same injustice should be applied to blacks simply for being born with black skin, right? if it is good for the goose then it is good for the gander.

I am not sure if all of africa practiced slavery, but the egyptians sure did and they are part, or mostly all, black blooded peoples. Slavery was a common way of life all over the world for a long time, it was not just something white people invented. The jews owned slaves, the egyptians, the arabs, the vikings, the romans, and lots of other cultures and peoples. How come this fact is never brought up? I went to cuny colleges and I got more then an ear full of all their liberal garbage any chance they got to fan the flames of racism agaist whites by demonizing all white people because of the history of slavery in america, but they always left out the fact that slavery was, and still is, practiced by people of all colors.

This country was almost torn to shreds over the issue of slavery and a lot of good white people died in the civil war to end slavery, but yet still, with people like Rev Al Sharpton and the like, all of us white people are the devil...what is wrong with that picture?

There were free people of color who made great fortunes off of the black slaves they owned. Generally, most white people could barely afford to eat let alone buy an expensive slave. Slaves where owned by wealthy people or by corperations who could afford them.

I strongly oppose slavery of any people.

Christanity was used to make most of the world meek and pliable. The fallen Roman empire tried to maintain it's strangle hold on the known world and all its resources by crippling people with christianity, christianity was not intended to be opressive but human beings can currupt anything.

We are all victims of someone elses oppression and hate, not just blacks. I am irish and my people have lost almost all of their native culture and language because of the oppression and cultural genocide. We all suffered and we are all suffering, every race and people, not just blacks.

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Along the same lines, is it proper for blacks to use the words "white trash"?
I don't think so... There are trashy folks, but they come in all colors. Usually, when someone is telling a story about trashy people, their skin color is irrelevant. The only important thing is the trashy behavior that the people are engaged in!
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"I am well-aware of the etymology of the n-word and most of its connotations. The Latin roots are only the beginning." If something started out with innocence and good intention and then was twisted by the evil of the human mind, then why embrace the mangled thorny mess created by human hatred, why not just clean the word up and bring it back to it's original context, that way all peoples would be liberated from the nightmare that this word has become? it is better to bypass the poison then to drink it. If the word has become synonymous with the whole of african american history then all that does is make confussion because the word has history but it is not the history.

All my life I have been hearing from blacks about how evil us white people are for inslaving their people and frankly I am tired of it. My family never owned slaves so why should be given the guilt trip like I have something to appologize for? If having white skin makes me punishable for all the misdeeds of all whites then the same injustice should be applied to blacks simply for being born with black skin, right? if it is good for the goose then it is good for the gander.

I am not sure if all of africa practiced slavery, but the egyptians sure did and they are part, or mostly all, black blooded peoples. Slavery was a common way of life all over the world for a long time, it was not just something white people invented. The jews owned slaves, the egyptians, the arabs, the vikings, the romans, and lots of other cultures and peoples. How come this fact is never brought up? I went to cuny colleges and I got more then an ear full of all their liberal garbage any chance they got to fan the flames of racism agaist whites by demonizing all white people because of the history of slavery in america, but they always left out the fact that slavery was, and still is, practiced by people of all colors.

This country was almost torn to shreds over the issue of slavery and a lot of good white people died in the civil war to end slavery, but yet still, with people like Rev Al Sharpton and the like, all of us white people are the devil...what is wrong with that picture?

There were free people of color who made great fortunes off of the black slaves they owned. Generally, most white people could barely afford to eat let alone buy an expensive slave. Slaves where owned by wealthy people or by corperations who could afford them.

I strongly oppose slavery of any people.

Christanity was used to make most of the world meek and pliable. The fallen Roman empire tried to maintain it's strangle hold on the known world and all its resources by crippling people with christianity, christianity was not intended to be opressive but human beings can currupt anything.

We are all victims of someone elses oppression and hate, not just blacks. I am irish and my people have lost almost all of their native culture and language because of the oppression and cultural genocide. We all suffered and we are all suffering, every race and people, not just blacks.
I never said that white people are evil. The institution of slavery is evil and I even mentioned that I had negative feelings for slaveholders, regardless of color.

There were many people who marched to advance the cause of civil rights. They were of many hues and I salute them all. The Underground Railroad certainly wouldn't have functioned if it weren't for the many white people who risked their own necks to hide slaves and to convey them a little further along the railroad to freedom. The Underground Railroad passed through my current neighborhood and not too far away is the home of Harriet Tubman, the most famous "conductor". It is said that she never lost a passenger, but she wouldn't have had anywhere near the success rate that she did, if it had not been for the assistance of abolitionists along the way.

As far as Reverend Al is concerned, I've posted in the past that I am not a fan of his activities. He is sort of a relic from back in the day. I think if you ask most African American people under the age of 40, they feel about the same as I do. I do admire Sharpton's work to safeguard the people of Vieques Island in Puerto Rico. I was in Puerto Rico when the US government decided to cease shelling/bombing drills near the homes of the citizens there. He also delivers one heck of a sermon when the mood is upon him.

As far as cleaning up the n-word and taking it back to its pure roots... Well, I think that ship has sailed. You can't unring a bell and there is little chance of reaching into the minds of all human beings to erase the negativity that surrounds that word. For that reason, I wish that it would die a slow death. Unfortunately, that death seems to be a bitter and painful one.
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