Corny's Thread Got me Thinking-Did He or Didn't He?

[beccachow]

Is it possible MJ just went crazy and killed himself? Is the Dr responsible for what MJ did or not? Was the ordering of hiding the drug a confession of guilt or a realization that said dr would be crucified? If my Dr gives me scripts, is he responsible if I abuse them? Did the Dr overs step his bounds by prescribing such a strong medication to begin with? CAN we be unemotional about this and give the Dr a fair trial? Did MJ's obvious emotional instability play the largest part in this tragedy?

Like him personally or hate him, he was a genius struggling in the confines of a sick mind, tortured by demons we don't understand. Child molester or misunderstood man crying out for love from the only segment of the population who wouldn't question his motives? What is the deal with the father of the little boy who then sued MJ for molestation...if you thought the man was capable of this why did you let him go over and spend the night?

Discuss the many facets of this tragedy, if you will!

[tinknal]

I think that MJ was of diminished capacity, a rare case caused by nurture, not nature. In this respect I think the doctor is guilty. Jackson did not have the brain of a 50 year old man.

[DaleK]

All of the above.

[TheMartianChick]

I think that a lot of things were at play in this case but to me, the case is about integrity. Everyone has a price. In the case of Dr. Murray, he had lots of bills and ex-wives/child support all over the place. He was easier to buy off than most doctors. MJ went to at least a few people to get them to administer the drug Propofil to him. They refused because it is a drug that isn't to be used outside of an operating room. Dr. Murray saw MJ as an answer to his financial woes...Clearly he didn't stop to consider how badly things could go. As a doctor he had a duty to refuse MJ's request.

All of this just points out how important it is to be debt free. When you don't owe a dime, you aren't tempted to sell your soul to the devil for money.

[FeralFemale]

According to Dr's commenting on the case, there is no way a person could give themselves propofil, not especially after being given some like the doc admitted he did.

I love MJ. He was wrongfully accused twice. Worse, the media didn't report the facts. Once the facts came out, the media was on to the next big story. Google

esquire michael jackson framed fischer

and read Mary Fischer's article. After reading it, if you previously thought MJ was a child molester, you will be ashamed of yourself and angry at the media.

As for Dr. Murray...I kinda feel bad for him. He got a dream job and found out it was about drugging up his patient. I don't think he should go to jail, but I do think, as a doctor, he is partly reponsible for what happened.

[JuliaAnn]

I don't feel sorry for Dr. Murray at all. He knew/knows what propofol is, what it's dangers are, and that it's not something 'prescribed' like the lorazepam or other normal prescription drugs. He could easily have done what other physicians did when Jackson was shopping around-- Murray could have said no, period.

I do feel sorry for Michael Jackson, that he was his own worst enemy. IMO, he was very mentally ill.

Can't say what I would do if I were on that jury. I'd have to see and hear all the testimony, but I certainly believe Dr. Murray had a very significant role in Michael Jackson's death. Just because someone is mentally ill doesn't mean a physican has to cater to that illness.

[FeralFemale]

Ok...after watching vids of the Murray trial, I've changed my mind. Murray's license should be taken away.

[Ken Scharabok]

Agree above, but criminal action beyond that - I just don't know.

This is one jury I would not like to be a member of.

[Ana Bluebird]

What an extremely sad story. Mr Jackson must have been extremely ill, beyond my imagination. The paramedic stated that when he saw Michael, he assumed it was a "do not resuscitate" patient because he looked so emaciated, plus IV's and catheter. Dr. Murray was giving Michael the drugs MJ wanted and obviously the Doctor made a terrible mistake, got careless. But the defense hasn't presented it's side yet, hugh?

[stormwalker]

If a doctor is going administer dangerous drugs, the least he can do is have monitors on him. MJ should have been watched the entire night.
I think it's a criminal case.
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[JuliaAnn]

If such a situation happened in a hospital setting, it would be malpractice at the very least.

[Pearl B]

Its sad. MJ probably was an addict and seeking a doctor who would keep him medicated,
past what other doctors would.

Murray probably thought he could keep things in control. He couldnt.

From some scant bits Ive got of it, looks like the good doc was trying to hide stuff.
Legally no question the Dr. is at fault for allowing this to happen.

Morally I think they are both at fault.MJ was a druggie with a lot of money.
The Dr. was willing to play along to the tune of his client.

[thesedays]

The latest thing is that Dr. Murray said MJ may have drunk the propofol. I'm a pharmacist and dispense it regularly, even in the small rural hospital where I now work, and have also had the wonderful experience of dealing with broken bottles. It's not absorbed orally, and even if it was, it smells so bad, I doubt anyone could get or keep enough of the stuff down to do anything to them. It's also very oily, which is not a pleasant mouth feel.

Our profession is STILL freaking out about this. Guess you can get anything you want if you have enough money, but who would have ever guessed someone would have OD'd on THIS, and at home, no less? I've always wondered where he got it, because no retail pharmacy is going to stock this, and even if Conrad Murray had admitting privileges, which he probably didn't, doctors rarely handle drugs anyway. Nurses do that unless it's a route that must be administered by a physician, like local anesthesia or something that must be given intrathecally (into the spinal fluid).

[megafatcat]

I think that it would be more likely that MJ went sane and killed himself. If I suddenly woke from insanity and realized that I had done what he did to children I would have to do what the courts would not.
Of course I do not think like a multi million$ movie star.

[J.T.M.]

I just watched a movie on netflix that said MJ is still alive....

[Packedready]

This type of death happen's all the time with the stars. Their reality is just so bad they become addicts. Dr. Murray knew he was an addict and what the dangers were, with the medications that he administered - I think Dr. Murray is guilty.