You will support gays or else

chickenslayer · #1 08/19/11, 01:12 PM

The thought police are at it again. I was under the impression we as a people had the right to free speech, I guess I was mistaken.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/19...onal-facebook/

Fowler · #2 08/19/11, 01:17 PM

When will people learn Facebook is bad for you....LOL

watcher · #3 08/19/11, 01:57 PM

You have the right to post what you wish and your employer has the right to fire you if they wish. IOW, the employer has rights as well.

The only problem I have with this is the fact his employer is the government. That puts a different curve on the ball.

FourDeuce · #4 08/19/11, 02:21 PM

Maybe he should have stuck with "safer" subjects like supporting the Klan or something.

BTW, I didn't see anything about any demands that the teacher support gays. Did anybody else?

gideonprime · #5 08/19/11, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FourDeuce

Maybe he should have stuck with "safer" subjects like supporting the Klan or something.

BTW, I didn't see anything about any demands that the teacher support gays. Did anybody else?

I missed those demands as well.

chickenslayer · #6 08/19/11, 02:39 PM

In a nutshell the school is demanding that he not speak his mind on the subject of gay marriage, BTW gay marriage is not legal in Florida where he teaches.

Tom in TN · #7 08/19/11, 04:00 PM

I never have quite understood the term "homophobic". I've worked with and for a number of homosexual men and women over the years. I've had homosexuals working for me. I think their behavior is aberrant. I wouldn't consider participating in those actions ever.

However, I have never been afraid of any of the homosexuals nor have I been afraid of what they do. Their homosexual activities disgust me, but they don't frighten me in any way.

So where's the "phobic"?

Tom in TN

JeffreyD · #8 08/19/11, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom in TN

I never have quite understood the term "homophobic". I've worked with and for a number of homosexual men and women over the years. I've had homosexuals working for me. I think their behavior is aberrant. I wouldn't consider participating in those actions ever.

However, I have never been afraid of any of the homosexuals nor have I been afraid of what they do. Their homosexual activities disgust me, but they don't frighten me in any way.

So where's the "phobic"?

Tom in TN

What Tom said!

Rusty'sDog · #9 08/19/11, 05:11 PM

I don't buy Homo milk. Does that make me 'homophobic'?

FourDeuce · #10 08/19/11, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom in TN

I never have quite understood the term "homophobic". I've worked with and for a number of homosexual men and women over the years. I've had homosexuals working for me. I think their behavior is aberrant. I wouldn't consider participating in those actions ever.

However, I have never been afraid of any of the homosexuals nor have I been afraid of what they do. Their homosexual activities disgust me, but they don't frighten me in any way.

So where's the "phobic"?

Tom in TN

In my dictionary it says under phobic-"having a fear of or an aversion".

RebelCowboySnB · #11 08/19/11, 05:34 PM

Seems to me that is comment were about his religious thoughts. Just like other times teacher religion has came up they have been aloud to voice those ideas outside of school but not in the classroom haven't they.

EasyDay · #12 08/19/11, 06:56 PM

“It was my own personal comment on my own personal time on my own personal computer in my own personal house, exercising what I believed as a social studies teacher to be my First Amendment rights,” he said.

Woo Hoo!!!!!

Oggie · #13 08/19/11, 07:15 PM

You gotta love TV news:

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Jerry Buell, a veteran American history teacher at Mount Dora High School, was removed from his teaching duties this week as school officials in Lake County investigate allegations that what he posted was biased towards homosexuals.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/19...#ixzz1VWG1pMNm

He's biased against, not toward, gays.

salmonslayer · #14 08/19/11, 07:23 PM

Irrespective of his stance on gays and whether its right or not.....how many more people need their butts handed to them before they figure out they should post certain things on facebook? Congress critters, teachers, beauty queens.....

We knew a woman in our old home town whose husband posted some pics of her nude and in some very compromizing positions on some web site and it ended up going all over town once some local saw it. Poor woman almost left town.

If your in the public eye you just need to keep your yap shut or suffer the consequences and never post pictures or anything else you wouldnt want your mom to see.

EasyDay · #15 08/19/11, 07:47 PM

He has the right to say it.
His employer has the right to fire him.

What I don't get is why people befriend anyone and everyone on FB. FB makes it so easy for us to only allow those we know/trust to read our posts. DD has 450 friends! WHAT? She doesn't even know 450 people! I tell her to be careful what she posts because she really doesn't "know" all those people. Her page is set to Private, but what's the point when you let everyone in anyway?

I think this is where the teacher messed up.

joseph97297 · #16 08/19/11, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom in TN

I never have quite understood the term "homophobic". I've worked with and for a number of homosexual men and women over the years. I've had homosexuals working for me. I think their behavior is aberrant. I wouldn't consider participating in those actions ever.

However, I have never been afraid of any of the homosexuals nor have I been afraid of what they do. Their homosexual activities disgust me, but they don't frighten me in any way.

So where's the "phobic"?

Tom in TN

Let's try this with another phobia:

Arachnephobia...... I have never understood the term "Arachnephobia". I have worked in areas with literally hundreds of spiders and while I personally find them irritating little creatures, I have never been afraid of spiders nor have I been afraid of what they do. Their webs may irritate me, but they don't frighten me in any way.

So where is the "Phobia"?

Man, that is a great way to just throw all phobias out the window. Whew, man, together we could make a DVD of this "Cure of the Century" or "Tom and Joe turn your Phobia into Phooey" and we would make a fortune.... unless you have Chrematophobia... but then again, I don't so it surely doesn't really exist....

RebelCowboySnB · #17 08/19/11, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyDay

His employer has the right to fire him.

Not sure that's true when it comes to religious statements.

Also not sure I beleive the school should be able to call a private facebook page public.(assuming his is private) To read it you have to make a choice to. Also how can you put a number on how many "friends" you can have before you call it public.

EasyDay · #18 08/19/11, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RebelCowboySnB

Not sure that's true when it comes to religious statements.

Right. Me neither. Can't fire based solely on religious beliefs... but making certain statements might go beyond belief. If the teacher has tenure, then that matters, too. (Dont remember if it said.) This means they can't fire him without probable cause... but that's probably a given, since I'm sure he's under contract?. So, any firing will have to be in accordance with his contract.

Also not sure I beleive the school should be able to call a private facebook page public.(assuming his is private) To read it you have to make a choice to. Also how can you put a number on how many "friends" you can have before you call it public.

Good point on private vs public page.
And, yeah, you can't put a number on it. That's the responsibility of the page owner. Thing is, when reading a friend's post, you can also read all of their friends responses without being friends with them.

Guess it comes down to where he posted, not so much who or how many friends, public or private.

Still, if there's nothing in his contract restricting certain types of comments regarding certain subjects, I don't think they can fire him, can they?

FeralFemale · #19 08/19/11, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FourDeuce

Maybe he should have stuck with "safer" subjects like supporting the Klan or something.

BTW, I didn't see anything about any demands that the teacher support gays. Did anybody else?

It's a demand when your job is lost because you do not support gay marriage.

That said, I think all teachers, or anyone for that matter, should stear way clear of FB.

FeralFemale · #20 08/19/11, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by joseph97297

Let's try this with another phobia:

Arachnephobia...... I have never understood the term "Arachnephobia". I have worked in areas with literally hundreds of spiders and while I personally find them irritating little creatures, I have never been afraid of spiders nor have I been afraid of what they do. Their webs may irritate me, but they don't frighten me in any way.

So where is the "Phobia"?

Man, that is a great way to just throw all phobias out the window. Whew, man, together we could make a DVD of this "Cure of the Century" or "Tom and Joe turn your Phobia into Phooey" and we would make a fortune.... unless you have Chrematophobia... but then again, I don't so it surely doesn't really exist....

I don't get your attempt at proving Tom incorrect. According to your statements, you do not have arachnephobia. You do not have an "An extreme or irrational fear of or aversion" to spiders. You just find them irritating. A phobia is way more than that.