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Old 06/13/11, 01:58 PM
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Tell me again why concealed carry would be a bad idea?

http://blog.nrf.com/2011/06/10/shoot...tured-on-tape/

Tape of a Big 5 Sporting Goods Manager trapped in her office with a man stealing, then loading guns from behind the counter and shooting. The cops respond quickly, but 'quickly' is an eternity for this young woman.. and we should all listen and hear her. She did well, but what if he had tried to come in and get her immediately? Different result.

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Old 06/13/11, 02:26 PM
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Wow... she was so calm through the whole thing! Good for her!
What a dope! He had handed her his ID to make a purchase, so she read his personal info off to the 9-11 operator. So much for anonymity! It must have been terrifying when he tried to get into her office.

The cops were quick, thank God. We all know that when seconds count, the cops are just minutes away!

But, three unarmed employees in a gun store? WHY?
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Tell me again why concealed carry would be a bad idea?

http://blog.nrf.com/2011/06/10/shoot...tured-on-tape/

Tape of a Big 5 Sporting Goods Manager trapped in her office with a man stealing, then loading guns from behind the counter and shooting. The cops respond quickly, but 'quickly' is an eternity for this young woman.. and we should all listen and hear her. She did well, but what if he had tried to come in and get her immediately? Different result.

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Old 06/13/11, 02:57 PM
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But, three unarmed employees in a gun store? WHY?
You can't be "unarmed" in a gun store, just unprepared

The bad guy picked one up, so they could have also.
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Old 06/13/11, 03:58 PM
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...But, three unarmed employees in a gun store? WHY?
Because Kailfornia is a "may issue" state where the decision whether to issue a permit is completely up to the local police chief or sheriff....and his political persuasion.
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Old 06/13/11, 03:58 PM
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Chilling!! She WAS so calm, til towards the end, almost lost it.
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Old 06/13/11, 04:26 PM
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Well, think about it... cowering under a desk, after the man saw you watching him while you were on the phone, and he has already fired the weapon. Police are on the way... but not yet present.

I'll bet she figured - by then - that he would break down the door and kill her, and that she had only made it possible for the police to catch him; not save herself in the process.

There is a moment in any deadly conflict where you recognize - down deep - that you may die today. For those without training (and for some with), that moment occurs during the conflict and is very difficult to manage through. She did admirably.

A few hours of nausea, loose bowels, and full body shakes and I'd bet she's fine. Strong woman. I'd be proud to call her family.

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P.S. I don't mean to imply that people with training deal with this before the deadly conflict. Quite the opposite really... they experience the realization AFTER. It is incredibly rare that a person is able to - truly - deal with it in advance... because getting to that point requires deadly conflict as a non-stop way of life for a long time.
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Old 06/13/11, 06:37 PM
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I wonder if there's a statistic that shows how many people could have been saved if allowed by the "government" to defend themselves.
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Concealed carry?? I want open carry. You would be surprised at the states who have legal open carry and surprisingly Texas is not one of them.

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Concealed carry?? I want open carry. You would be surprised at the states who have legal open carry and surprisingly Texas is not one of them.

"A well armed society is a polite society!!"
Florida isn't either. As good as our gun laws are overall, open carry is specifically illegal in the statute.
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Old 06/13/11, 10:50 PM
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The Rest Of The Story...

Well for the rest of the story, here is what happened six days ago. This took place just South of the Bay Area, and it was all over the local news last week.

It makes me wonder if I should go down to the Sheriff's Office and get my 'Explosives License' besides my CCW License, so I would not have to bother with locking the store doors and then taking a 'sawzall' to the locks on the gun cabinet and the trigger lock on the weapon..

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KSBW.com
updated 6/8/2011 8:16:23 PM ET 2011-06-09T00:16:23 +-WATSONVILLE, Calif. — KSBW.com

Watsonville police swarmed a Big 5 Sporting Goods store Tuesday morning and shot to death a man who locked the store's doors, loaded a gun that was for sale and opened fire, police said.

On Tuesday morning, a man entered the store at 1083 South Green Valley Road and asked to buy a gun, Watsonville police Lt. Terry Traub said.

PHOTOS: Police Kill Gunman Inside Big 5

Assistant store manager Letitia Mello told the Santa Cruz Sentinel that the man acted suspicious as he filled out paperwork and answered questions about why he wanted to buy a rifle.

California gun laws require a background check and a 10-day waiting period before someone can receive a purchased firearm. The 22-year-old Watsonville man left looking agitated because he could not immediately buy the gun.

The man returned just after 11 a.m. carrying an electric saw and cable bike lock, Traub said.

He locked the store's doors with the cable bike lock, grabbed ammunition, plugged in his electric saw and began sawing a lock off of a shotgun that was for sale, Traub said. While he was sawing, horrified Big 5 Sporting Goods employees called 911.

After sawing off the double locks, Traub said, the man loaded the shotgun and opened fire.


Watsonville police swarmed the Big 5 Sporting Goods store almost instantly after the 911 call was placed, witnesses said.

"Before you knew it, there must have been 40 police officers with semiautomatic guns," witness Tony Roche said. "It was pretty intense."

Officers were able to enter by squeezing through a small opening between the store's doors because the bike lock did not hold the doors completely closed. Once police squeezed inside, they immediately opened fire and shot the man to death, police said.

Watsonville police did not release the gunman's identity or motive.

None of the store's terrified employees and customers were shot or injured, Traub said. At least nine shots were fired by the police and gunman combined.

Mello said during the shooting she hid behind fishing gear, heard police fire two shots and saw the man die on the floor, according to the Sentinel.

"The officers acted appropriately," Traub said. "Our officers are trained for dealing with active shooters."

Santa Cruz County Sheriff's deputies, California Highway Patrol officers, and Santa Cruz District Attorney officials were on the scene to investigate both the gunman and the Watsonville police officers to ensure the officers acted according to policy.

"Multiple agencies are here to ensure accountability," Traub said.

The Big 5 Sporting Goods store is located near the intersection of South Green Valley Road and Main Street, next to Green Valley Cinema and Erik's Deli.

Watsonville resident Sam Steverson was on his way to buy shoes at Big 5 when the shooting broke out. "Police came and took care of business, they shot him to death," Steverson said.

PHOTOS: Police Kill Gunman Inside Big 5

By KSBW's Phil Gomez and Amy Larson

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