Chinese anchor babies.

[ninny]

Another good reason to stop the anchor baby programs.

"A suburban townhouse where a dozen Chinese 'maternity tourists' paid $35,000 to stay and have their babies born in America, has been shut down.

When authorities in Los Angeles raided the home in St Gabriel, they found 10 newborn children and 17 converted bedrooms, including one in the garage"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2694515/posts



And now these 10 newborns are American citizens and our tax dollars are paying for them.
Enjoy folks.
When are our politicians gonna grow a pair and say enough of this crap?

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[bowdonkey]

How clever can you get? Think I'll invest in Pamper and Huggie stock.

[Yldrosie]

This is just the tip of the iceberg. There are places like this all over the west coast.

[Nevada]

Any program can be abused, which is clearly the case here. But this is the exception.

[Fowler]

Originally Posted by ninny

Another good reason to stop the anchor baby programs.

"A suburban townhouse where a dozen Chinese 'maternity tourists' paid $35,000 to stay and have their babies born in America, has been shut down.

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Note to self: 12 is too many. and I'm not charging enough.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Nevada

Any program can be abused, which is clearly the case here. But this is the exception.

Actually, this isn't the exception. It has been going on for years and years. It is just not making the news. I heard about it maybe 10 years ago.

One of the articles I saw stated that affluent Chinese were timing their vacations to coincide with the birth of the child.

[Yldrosie]

It's not only Chinese, the Koreans and other asians are make use of the US largess too.

[Nevada]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Actually, this isn't the exception. It has been going on for years and years. It is just not making the news. I heard about it maybe 10 years ago.

How long it's been going on does not relate to how widespread the problem might be.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Nevada

How long it's been going on does not relate to how widespread the problem might be.

I would have to disagree with you.

If something is/has been going on for 10 years or more - we can be pretty sure it is going to grow in size.

The ones I read about at first were not maternity mills, but simply Chinese who were affluent enough to pay their way here and pay their own doctor bills.

I realize our government doesn't want anyone to realize they know and have known of this for a long time.

Also, I can tell you Mexicans have been doing this for the 60 something years I have a memory and they have been doing it big time for over 30 years.

Can I prove this is not an exception? No, I can't. No one can prove it is an exception, eithe - except our government and believe me they are not going to tell us the truth.. But with the entire world knowing we have such a ridiculous law, I'm thinking we would be in error to assume it isn't more widespread, and the Chinese and Mexicans are the not only ones.

[shawnlee]

I live right in the middle of it here in southern California and I can tell you this is the norm.
I have many hispanic friends and they point em out all the time and hanging out with them I hear many a babies mom and thier friends talk about how many many hispanics do this and then have more kids for a income once they have the first kid.

When you are at ground zero it easy to see and hear the stories first hand.

Maybe those houses are not the norm...but the concept is.


By the way....most of em are very hard workers and only want to be able to live like anyone else and make money....I have several people that live next door and though I can not understand most of what they say...they are very nice and friendly.

Unlike alot of the white kids around here who come from money and all they want to do is surf and play video games, the mexican kids work very hard.

By the way, I am as white as you can get and part indian.

I don`t blame the poor people who want jobs and a good life, they are only doing what our goobermint allows them to do.

[Oggie]

Don't babies usually float after a few days?

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Oggie

Don't babies usually float after a few days?

Evidently not, they seem to be able to keep their parents permanently berthed in this country - at least our government says so.

[Nevada]

Originally Posted by Trixie

But with the entire world knowing we have such a ridiculous law, I'm thinking we would be in error to assume it isn't more widespread, and the Chinese and Mexicans are the not only ones.

We've built a complicated web of ridiculous immigration laws. So much so that they've created their own complicated set of loopholes. Those loopholes let people in that even the immigration don't want here. I know, since I helped a friend frustrate the system once.

Look, it's their system. It's a system that works 99% of the time. 1% slip through the cracks in the system, maybe more. People who exploit loopholes very often wind-up rich, or even get away with crimes, and we don't seem to really mind that much. What's the big deal if someone exploits a loophole and gets to live in the USA?

[Trixie]

Shawlee

Agreed, it is nothing new.

As for not blaming them for wanting a better life - I can.

The ones who came first were poor. They did work, behaved themselves, paid their own way - then went home.

Then they began coming, with entire extended family and stayed. These were not necessarily poor - and in most instances were more middle class. They came, thumbed their noses at our laws. I have known people who were terrorized by them because they threatened them and their children, stole things, used their water to wash cars while owner was at work, stole electricity - I mean you could fill a book at the disregard and disrespect.

You bet, some are nice people. My husband was one of two men who spoke Spanish, in our community. The other was a upper class Mexican doctor who wouldn't have touched an illegal until the government began paying for it. We got to know many of them. Some are now grandparents. I know and love them. It doesn't change the fact they are and have broken our laws and are causing harm to our country.

I would do anything if my family was truly in need - of necessities. I could not steal from other working families, though just so my kids could have all the latest gadgets, etc.

That's lying, stealing, being deceitful and I couldn't live like that - not just so I could have 'more'.

It is not a victimless crime, lots of people have and are being hurt by this. Many around here lost their jobs to illegals. Our auto insurance went sky high. I used to help a friend liquidate estates and at least half the women would steal and teach their children how to steal. They are a large part of the reason for the increase in health care costs.

The worst thing they have stolen is the worth of our citizenship. If someone can walk across a border and get all the benefits of being a citizen and little of the responsibilities, then American citizenship, once a priceless thing, is now worthless. It requires nothing, except that you be a dishonest person and disrespect our country, it's people and our laws.

Another thing, I understand Texas is going to get more representatives in Congress because they counted the illegals in the census. That means the way our government should be run has been skewed because of the illegals.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Nevada

We've built a complicated web of ridiculous immigration laws. So much so that they've created their own complicated set of loopholes. Those loopholes let people in that even the immigration don't want here. I know, since I helped a friend frustrate the system once.

Look, it's their system. It's a system that works 99% of the time. 1% slip through the cracks in the system, maybe more. People who exploit loopholes very often wind-up rich, or even get away with crimes, and we don't seem to really mind that much. What's the big deal if someone exploits a loophole and gets to live in the USA?

Well, a simplistic answer would be because it is wrong. I realize that is very old fashioned and we don't seem to care about right and wrong these days. We care about how we 'feel' about something and how much halo polishing mileage we can get out of it.

This is not about 'being Americans' and being a part of America as in contributing to the country - at least with the illegals here. It is about getting as much goodies from the taxpayers as they can - legally or otherwise.

It means there are a lot of people here who have no regard for this country, it's laws, it's people - or even honesty or integrity.

The child is not at fault, but since the parents can stay - what kind of citizen could that parent make whose first act was to lie, cheat and be deceitful about something as precious as American citizenship??

Actually, I don't buy the immigration laws are complicated - at least as it pertains to illegal immigration. It isn't 'complex' either. That's another word people want to use to try to make people think they simply are not capable of understand the situation.

Funny thing, it seemed to work for some time before our politicians decided they just weren't going to enforce them. I remember when people were actually afraid to cross the border, when they knew we had laws that could and would be enforced.

You know, one thing about laws. When you allow a law to be broken, on a constant basis, with the government aiding and abetting it, all other laws become less obsolete.

A lot of people in this country are in bad shape - financially. It is only going to get worse, I fear. What if suddenly a half million people just decided it was OK to write some hot checks, because they were 'just looking for a better life' or because 'they were poor and wanted to better themselves? What if the government officials simply chuckled and made sympathic noises toward these check writers. What if the next week, a million did it - next week 2 million - and the government kept making excuses and talking about those poor people and the checks weren't much, a few hundred and after all, they weren't really hurting anyone - just some banks. Then it reached 30 million - think it wouldn't hurt????

Would we continue to be 'understanding', would the government continue to bail out the banks that were hit, would stock holders loose money, etc.?

There is no difference. Almost everyone who steals does it 'to make their life better' - so does that make it OK?

Once again, this is not a victimless crime -

[arabian knight]

And that is why that law has to be changed it was never ever set up to provide this to happen. It MUST be done away with and Pronto.

[Nevada]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Well, a simplistic answer would be because it is wrong. I realize that is very old fashioned and we don't seem to care about right and wrong these days. We care about how we 'feel' about something and how much halo polishing mileage we can get out of it.

This is not about 'being Americans' and being a part of America as in contributing to the country - at least with the illegals here. It is about getting as much goodies from the taxpayers as they can - legally or otherwise.

It means there are a lot of people here who have no regard for this country, it's laws, it's people - or even honesty or integrity.

The child is not at fault, but since the parents can stay - what kind of citizen could that parent make whose first act was to lie, cheat and be deceitful about something as precious as American citizenship??

Actually, I don't buy the immigration laws are complicated - at least as it pertains to illegal immigration. It isn't 'complex' either. That's another word people want to use to try to make people think they simply are not capable of understand the situation.

Funny thing, it seemed to work for some time before our politicians decided they just weren't going to enforce them. I remember when people were actually afraid to cross the border, when they knew we had laws that could and would be enforced.

You know, one thing about laws. When you allow a law to be broken, on a constant basis, with the government aiding and abetting it, all other laws become less obsolete.

A lot of people in this country are in bad shape - financially. It is only going to get worse, I fear. What if suddenly a half million people just decided it was OK to write some hot checks, because they were 'just looking for a better life' or because 'they were poor and wanted to better themselves? What if the government officials simply chuckled and made sympathic noises toward these check writers. What if the next week, a million did it - next week 2 million - and the government kept making excuses and talking about those poor people and the checks weren't much, a few hundred and after all, they weren't really hurting anyone - just some banks. Then it reached 30 million - think it wouldn't hurt????

Would we continue to be 'understanding', would the government continue to bail out the banks that were hit, would stock holders loose money, etc.?

There is no difference. Almost everyone who steals does it 'to make their life better' - so does that make it OK?

Once again, this is not a victimless crime -

Sorry for not being impressed with the argument, but I see too much illegal, immoral, and just plain wrong activity to get worked-up about immigration. When I see them start to prosecute bankers and other people in the real estate industry for predatory lending, falsified assessments, and rebate fraud then we'll have something to discuss.

What I'm seeing is is the wealthy and powerful getting away with anything they want, while conservatives call for the persecution (sometimes prosecution) of the weak and poor. I don't like it.

When bankers are getting away with fraud and robbery, why should I feel guilty for helping someone exploit a perfectly legal loophole?

[ninny]

Originally Posted by Nevada

Sorry for not being impressed with the argument, but I see too much illegal, immoral, and just plain wrong activity to get worked-up about immigration. When I see them start to prosecute bankers and other people in the real estate industry for predatory lending, falsified assessments, and rebate fraud then we'll have something to discuss.

What I'm seeing is is the wealthy and powerful getting away with anything they want, while conservatives call for the persecution (sometimes prosecution) of the weak and poor. I don't like it.

When bankers are getting away with fraud and robbery, why should I feel guilty for helping someone exploit a perfectly legal loophole?

You forgot to put in the part about it being Bush's fault. I'll do it for you,

"It's Bush's fault."

There, fixed it for you.

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[Trixie]

No one is saying there isn't plenty of crime to go around - but to then suggest that we should simply allow more crime - crime that will change our country completely - I don't get it.

The fact is the wealthy miscreants, probably are not going to get punished, we all know that. I do fail to see the logic that because these wealthy people are not going to get punished then we should allow this very destructive insult to our nation to continue? We should allow working American citizens to have their nation, their electoral process, their communities, their schools, their very lives to be damaged by this? That kind of logic escapes me.

Just as a point, if you are truly concerned about the poor and weak - remember it was/is the poor and weak Americans who lost and loose their jobs to the illegals. It's their neighborhoods that get invaded by them. It is the weak and poor that are victims of the predators among them. It's the weak and poor whose children's education is being curtailed because the illegal children need special help and get preferences.

So if you truly are concerned about the weak and poor - have a little compassion for your fellow citizens who are weak and poor.

The old line about their just being poor people who do all the work we don't want to do, etc, etc. has been used for years. The media and politicians used it and it worked for a long time - too long. It ceased to work when more and more communities were impacted, negatively, by this.