School gone to Far?

[countryboy84]

On the news this morning I saw that there are schools in Texas that are ticketing kids for miss behavior. They said the kids all the way down to 6 years of age were getting these tickets had to go to court and that it could result in a class D misdameanor. All I can say is oh my God. This is just to much. The government has wanted to cotrol our kids for so long now they have found a state this is willing to actually star doing it on a major scale. I no the in some way is a money racquet to them gov but school is bad enough now tickets up to 500 bucks. Stuff like this makes me just wanted to find what ever stupid person started this a smack them in the side of the head. Ron White put it best there is no cure for stupid.

I saw this a the Daily Buzz morning show that comes out of Knoxville TN

[Alice In TX/MO]

Sounds like a principal who can't control the students and has had to resort to bizarre measures. The parents should work the chain of command to get this stopped and get the principal removed.

[Rocktown Gal]

Heard on our local news yesterday that in WV if parents can't get their kids to school they can lose their license. I don't think that is right either.

[countryboy84]

This forum has a lot of things to offer over the "SCHOOL" issue and I am glad that we can all talk about. But the more that is put up the more that you have to wonder where is our education in public schools going.

To the folk in WV that came up with that I would have to ask what if they don't have a license. Going to take their birthday? I mean get real.

[Alice In TX/MO]

Actually, most of the schools are just fine, doing the best they can with the children that come across the threshold. We hear about the bad ones.

[Yvonne's hubby]

It sounds like these principles are trying to regain control of the classrooms.

[Beowulf]

It may seem silly to you, but I guarantee you do not know the whole story.

Ticketing is ever the first step in the disciplinary process. Sometimes it is the only way to get parents involved in their little angels' behavior issues.

[ninny]

Hey, when you have schools spying on kids on their laptop webcams, I'm beginning to think that there's nothing out of bounds for the school administrators, or so they seem to think.


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[watcher]

Its a symptom of the PC generation we live in. The schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids therefore they have shifted to having the court system do it.

Little Johnny keeps interrupting class. The teacher can't paddle him (its physically abusive), can't sit him in the corner (its physiologically abusive) and can't kick him out of class (that violates his right to an education). What does the teacher do? She calls the cops and has little Johnny arrested/ticketed for disturbing the peace. At least for the day Johnny is in court the rest of the class can be taught in peace.

[Laura Zone 10]

Originally Posted by watcher

Its a symptom of the PC generation we live in. The schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids therefore they have shifted to having the court system do it.

Little Johnny keeps interrupting class. The teacher can't paddle him (its physically abusive), can't sit him in the corner (its physiologically abusive) and can't kick him out of class (that violates his right to an education). What does the teacher do? She calls the cops and has little Johnny arrested/ticketed for disturbing the peace. At least for the day Johnny is in court the rest of the class can be taught in peace.

One nail, hit directly on the head!!

[bluemoonluck]

Originally Posted by watcher

Its a symptom of the PC generation we live in. The schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids therefore they have shifted to having the court system do it.

Little Johnny keeps interrupting class. The teacher can't paddle him (its physically abusive), can't sit him in the corner (its physiologically abusive) and can't kick him out of class (that violates his right to an education). What does the teacher do? She calls the cops and has little Johnny arrested/ticketed for disturbing the peace. At least for the day Johnny is in court the rest of the class can be taught in peace.

Exactly.....

And I can guarantee that after Mommy and Daddy have to take enough days off work to go collect their little darlin' from the court, they will address the behavior at home more effectively, get their kid into counseling to get back on track, and everyone benefits! Johnny stops being disruptive and starts learning, the other students in the class get more instructional time, the teacher spends less time on discipline... win / win!

[seagullplayer]

Originally Posted by watcher

Its a symptom of the PC generation we live in. The schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids therefore they have shifted to having the court system do it.

Little Johnny keeps interrupting class. The teacher can't paddle him (its physically abusive), can't sit him in the corner (its physiologically abusive) and can't kick him out of class (that violates his right to an education). What does the teacher do? She calls the cops and has little Johnny arrested/ticketed for disturbing the peace. At least for the day Johnny is in court the rest of the class can be taught in peace.

Bingo!

Kids need a mom and dad. "Parents" feel guilty for not parenting their kids at home so they want to take away the tools educators need to do it for them...

If you will not discipline your kids, someone has to.

[shanzone2001]

I have a few kids in my class who I would love to ticket. I can't spank them, so this sounds good to me!
If your child can't behave, they should have a severe consequence.

[Windy in Kansas]

Isn't kids going to school all about teaching them what they will need throughout life?

With so many going to prison these days it might be wise to show them that there are consequences to their actions.

[Shrek]

Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

Sounds like a principal who can't control the students and has had to resort to bizarre measures. The parents should work the chain of command to get this stopped and get the principal removed.

The chain of command the parents should have worked was the one that kept them in command of their spawn in the first place.

Originally Posted by Rocktown Gal

Heard on our local news yesterday that in WV if parents can't get their kids to school they can lose their license. I don't think that is right either.

Thats one way to give parents incentive to get better control of their spawn.

[chickenslayer]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

It may seem silly to you, but I guarantee you do not know the whole story.

Ticketing is ever the first step in the disciplinary process. Sometimes it is the only way to get parents involved in their little angels' behavior issues.

That's what I believe is behind this.

[countryboy84]

ok maybe I am crazy and that is fine but this kinda of stuff is not for schools in anyway shape or form. If the kid misbehaves that much then exspell them that is legal. If the parents refuse to get control of the situtaion then SS steps in if needed but not bring the law enforcment in on a kid as young as 6. I would be in jail if they done that to my child cause I would loose what ever little mind I have left. It is my job as there DAD to raise them untill they are 18. If they just misbehave then it is my job. If they steal, or somthing of the like then the cops may step in. Any one to me that feels this is good is part of the problem. We need not to rely on the gov to take care of everything. We need to get things so the teacher can handle it. Spanking, sitting in a coner, what ever with is reason. But not law enforcement.

Ok if I offend anyone then so be it freedom of speech, and your are welcome to counter, I am not going after anyone person with this. And regardless of which side of this you are on we can all agree that there is a problem in our schools. When cops are writing tickets, kids have to go through medal detectors, and there are armed guards there is a problem. That sounds my like jail then school to me.

[mnn2501]

Originally Posted by watcher

Its a symptom of the PC generation we live in. The schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids therefore they have shifted to having the court system do it.

Little Johnny keeps interrupting class. The teacher can't paddle him (its physically abusive), can't sit him in the corner (its physiologically abusive) and can't kick him out of class (that violates his right to an education). What does the teacher do? She calls the cops and has little Johnny arrested/ticketed for disturbing the peace. At least for the day Johnny is in court the rest of the class can be taught in peace.

You're 100% correct, I applaud this action - plus its about the only way left to get some parents involved in their kids education.

I'd applaud even more if the lawsuit happy parents and the liberal educators would let the teachers and principals do their job in the first place -- yes, me a liberal saying that -- imagine that!

[bluemoonluck]

Originally Posted by countryboy84

ok maybe I am crazy and that is fine but this kinda of stuff is not for schools in anyway shape or form. If the kid misbehaves that much then exspell them that is legal. If the parents refuse to get control of the situtaion then SS steps in if needed but not bring the law enforcment in on a kid as young as 6. I would be in jail if they done that to my child cause I would loose what ever little mind I have left. It is my job as there DAD to raise them untill they are 18. If they just misbehave then it is my job. If they steal, or somthing of the like then the cops may step in. Any one to me that feels this is good is part of the problem. We need not to rely on the gov to take care of everything. We need to get things so the teacher can handle it. Spanking, sitting in a coner, what ever with is reason. But not law enforcement.

Ok if I offend anyone then so be it freedom of speech, and your are welcome to counter, I am not going after anyone person with this. And regardless of which side of this you are on we can all agree that there is a problem in our schools. When cops are writing tickets, kids have to go through medal detectors, and there are armed guards there is a problem. That sounds my like jail then school to me.

Parents these days expect the government to take care of everything, that's the whole problem! Parents get ticked off when they get calls home, can't tell you how many times my Mother (a long-time teacher) heard "He's your problem, you fix it".

Some kids come in and have been told that if anyone disciplines you, scream racism/discrimination so we can sue the school and live the good life. Think I'm joking? Go volunteer in a high school main office for a week......

I work with adolescents on a daily basis as a counselor, and their parents expect me to "fix" their kid. They spent 16 years giving junior whatever he wanted, bailing him out of any mess he got himself into, and now they don't understand why Junior is uncontrollable. I try to give parenting tips, which is part of my job, and I get ignored (or my favorite: "I don't want him to hate me!"). I'm expected to "fix" their kid, but they don't want to change how they do things at home one bit.

If the parents aren't controlling their kids, and they expect the school to do it...then tie the school official's hands (no spanking, no yelling, have to educate him so can't kick him out of class or send him home, etc).....then who the heck is going to control the kid?

So the law gets called in....I guarantee they don't get called on the kid who forgot his homework for the third time this week, or the kid who sits in class and stares off into space and does nothing. They get called for the disruptive kids who are ruining the education of their classmates. Sounds like a good deal to me!

Getting social services involved because a kid is misbehaving in school? Really? Have you been inside a typical public school lately? 25 to 30 percent of the kids in school are behavior problems...do you know where we can find THAT many social workers, or that many foster homes? Heck, the system is overwhelmed with the number of kids that are in it now!

I called Social Services on behalf of a young man I was counseling last year - he was reporting that his step-father hit him on a regular basis when step-dad got drunk. SS asked if the student, sitting in front of me that day, had any visible bruises. Told them nope, hasn't happened in the last week. SS told me to "call back when the kid has bruises, we don't have enough manpower to send someone out or take a report otherwise." This young man was in trouble CONSTANTLY at school, which is why I was counseling him... If anyone could have benefitted from the intervention of the court, it was this young man.

Anyone who thinks the schools aren't overwhelmed and parents aren't making the school's job exponentially harder than it needs to be hasn't gone into a typical public school in a while. If the courts want to step in and help un-tie school administration's hands, I'm all for it.

[arabian knight]

I am for it. Parents have to get involved and if this is the way that school is dealing with I say "hats off to ya".