Competition in world markets

Yvonne's hubby · #1 12/26/10, 09:57 AM

I just watched this video of a 15 story hotel being constructed in China..... in six days, start to finish! I now have a much better understanding of why the US is having trouble competing with the labor force in other countries.

Wolf mom · #2 12/26/10, 10:14 AM

Yep, that's what happens when you have no building codes, no inspections and no unions. Well, maybe just a few...but nowhere's like the US.

Not saying we shouldn't have some, but we've got wayyyy to many! No way we can compete.

But then, if you've been to China, you can sure tell the difference between American building & Chinese.

Beeman · #3 12/26/10, 11:06 AM

There's an old thread about this.

Don't the Seventh Day Adventists do something like this when they build a church?

If I remember correctly the only thing to be interested in about the China deal was the engineering of the building. I think it was a pre fab deal which made it a simple assembly. Just what a country with billions of people needs is a reduced work force and fast assembly.

tinknal · #4 12/26/10, 11:43 AM

It was a publicity stunt, like the Olympics. Shortly after this was done, 47 people died in a fire in a high rise in China. Do you think there might be a connection between how fast you can throw a building together and safety?

If it was pre-fab then the time constructing the components should be included in the time took to build it.

tinknal · #5 12/26/10, 11:46 AM

I also believe that they worked 24/7, so you can triple the build time, assuming 8 hour days.

big rockpile · #6 12/26/10, 11:53 AM

When I was in Construction because we did things so fast things just didn't come out perfect.Like the Boss would say get it up don't look back move on!

big rockpile

Yvonne's hubby · #7 12/26/10, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tinknal

It was a publicity stunt, like the Olympics. Shortly after this was done, 47 people died in a fire in a high rise in China. Do you think there might be a connection between how fast you can throw a building together and safety?

If it was pre-fab then the time constructing the components should be included in the time took to build it.

Until one does the research to see if the highrise in question was assembled at a high rate of speed we dont really have any idea. To my knowledge this particular building has not burned, nor has it collapsed. My point was that it is obvious that there is a huge difference in work ethic in China... as well as other foreign countries compared to that in the US.

tinknal · #8 12/26/10, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

Until one does the research to see if the highrise in question was assembled at a high rate of speed we dont really have any idea. To my knowledge this particular building has not burned, nor has it collapsed. My point was that it is obvious that there is a huge difference in work ethic in China... as well as other foreign countries compared to that in the US.

They were both built (and in the case of the burned building, maintained) under the same building standards and inspection system.

tinknal · #9 12/26/10, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

Until one does the research to see if the highrise in question was assembled at a high rate of speed we dont really have any idea. To my knowledge this particular building has not burned, nor has it collapsed. My point was that it is obvious that there is a huge difference in work ethic in China... as well as other foreign countries compared to that in the US.

Maybe if we tolerated a few more dead workers here (hey, they are just common laborers) We could get things done faster

Deaths in the workplace, China.
http://www.safetynewsalert.com/worke...ompare-to-u-s/

tinknal · #10 12/26/10, 03:24 PM

Recognize this quote YH?

"And as long as our American consumer refuses to pay the extra price for American quality, you will see this continue."

Yvonne's hubby · #11 12/26/10, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tinknal

They were both built (and in the case of the burned building, maintained) under the same building standards and inspection system.

And????

What does that have to do with the time frame of construction vs that of here in the US where it can often requires many months and often years to complete the same type building? (which also burn upon occasion)

Yvonne's hubby · #12 12/26/10, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tinknal

Recognize this quote YH?

"And as long as our American consumer refuses to pay the extra price for American quality, you will see this continue."

Yes I do, I should, after all I wrote it. I am not quite sure how it relates to this topic though.

tinknal · #13 12/26/10, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

And????

What does that have to do with the time frame of construction vs that of here in the US where it can often requires many months and often years to complete the same type building? (which also burn upon occasion)

As I said, it was a publicity stunt. Done by a country with a huge inferiority complex. If someone here wanted to do this it could be done, even with our strict building codes, better workplace safety, higher quality materials, tougher inspections and so on.

As you said, it's about quality. You like to live in that building?

tinknal · #14 12/26/10, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvonne's hubby

Yes I do, I should, after all I wrote it. I am not quite sure how it relates to this topic though.

"the extra price for American quality"

The time it takes to build something is part of the price.

Yvonne's hubby · #15 12/26/10, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tinknal

As I said, it was a publicity stunt. Done by a country with a huge inferiority complex. If someone here wanted to do this it could be done, even with our strict building codes, better workplace safety, higher quality materials, tougher inspections and so on.

As you said, it's about quality. You like to live in that building?

I would not like to live in that type of building, in ANY country. Which is why I built my own, out of locally produced materials whenever available.

PrettyPaisley · #16 12/26/10, 04:01 PM

Is that safe? I don't know much about buildling buildings but I would think you'd need the concrete to dry before the building was "finished".

big rockpile · #17 12/26/10, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley

Is that safe? I don't know much about buildling buildings but I would think you'd need the concrete to dry before the building was "finished".

Thats like when I was Building Houses.We would Lay Brick so fast if there was any wind the walls would move because the Mortar didn't have time to set.

big rockpile

Yvonne's hubby · #18 12/26/10, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyPaisley

Is that safe? I don't know much about buildling buildings but I would think you'd need the concrete to dry before the building was "finished".

Concrete takes years to fully "cure", however, you can begin construction within hours after its been poured. I usually like to let it set a couple days before adding large amounts of stress to it, but then steel girders are not all that heavy in comparison to load limits of concrete. I have often began building after only 12 hours of "set up" time.

plowjockey · #19 12/26/10, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Beeman

There's an old thread about this.

Don't the Seventh Day Adventists do something like this when they build a church?

If I remember correctly the only thing to be interested in about the China deal was the engineering of the building. I think it was a pre fab deal which made it a simple assembly. Just what a country with billions of people needs is a reduced work force and fast assembly.

LOL - How true.

zant · #20 12/26/10, 05:49 PM

Look at the lenght of time it took to build -Hoover Dam,Empire State Bldg,GWB....and compare it to how long it takes to repair a road nowadays....NYC took 11yrs to screwup an ice skating rink and Trump did it in 6 months...