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Will they go after drug companies like they did tobacco?
The prescription drug problem in this country is amazing. Not just the street dealing of it but the Dr.s that have made junkies out of many of their patients. Not to even mention the Medicare and private insurance money spent on the over prescribing of stuff like Oxycontin.
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The prescription drug problem in this country is amazing. Not just the street dealing of it but the Dr.s that have made junkies out of many of their patients. Not to even mention the Medicare and private insurance money spent on the over prescribing of stuff like Oxycontin.
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You know, in many countries around the world, you can walk into a pharmacy and buy almost anything you want.
You also know, that (in India for example) it is causing great issues because of the improper use of antibiotics and the like.
The ONLY answer to these varied issues is for individuals to have like cultural and moral values... and in this day of plurality, that's not going to happen.
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12/19/10, 09:48 PM
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Doctors don't make junkies. It's a person's choice to abuse drugs or not.
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12/19/10, 11:08 PM
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Beeman, according to the government, only illegal drugs are a problem. You must have bad information.
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12/19/10, 11:34 PM
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Doctors don't make junkies. It's a person's choice to abuse drugs or not.
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I know people that have had to go to rehab to get off of the prescribed medications from a Dr. taken as per Dr. prescription.
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12/19/10, 11:36 PM
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Doctors don't make junkies. It's a person's choice to abuse drugs or not
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Many Drs hand them out like candy.
Surely you've seen it, since many of us have
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12/20/10, 12:42 AM
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Having worked in an ER and a doctors office, I can tell you that there are times that doctors make junkies....
Person is hurting...Doctor writes for pain meds...Person calls and says pain is worse so doctor calls in stronger pain meds....
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The patient requesting more pain medications for chronic pain issues should be referred to a pain management specialist for assessment and management. Some patients are junkies; some are legitimately experiencing profound pain. There are other alternatives, such as acupuncture or even neurostimulator implantation for pain, depending on pain etiology.
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Originally Posted by Beeman
The prescription drug problem in this country is amazing. Not just the street dealing of it but the Dr.s that have made junkies out of many of their patients. Not to even mention the Medicare and private insurance money spent on the over prescribing of stuff like Oxycontin.
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No.
There is too much "kick back" money in the drug companies.
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I have to come from the other side of the issue. I know people who have had terminal diseases and were in great pain. Thank God for doctors who gave the adequate medications to control the pain.
And my husband has really bad knees, but cannot have replacement surgery due to health issues. Thank God for the doctors who take his suffering seriously. He also uses alternative supplements for his knees, but the doctors give him pain meds too. That is not addiction, it's just trying to get by in life without too much suffering.
It's really easy to throw around words like addiction and dope, etc unless we are the ones to sufferering. Nobody should have to suffer excruciating pain just because somebody else has the nerve to stick up their noses and say they are addicts. And starting down this road of assumption of drug abuse will have sore effects on people who legitimately need pain relief.
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The VA is on top of this. Once they find a patent that has a very low tolerance for pain or one that abuses the drugs that are proscribed for him they will no longer provide him with any pain medication at all. I have even found them out in the smoking area trying to find out who is supplied with certain medications so they can buy them from them.
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12/20/10, 10:36 PM
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Doctors create junkies in a way few realize. Often a person will be in severe pain due to an injury. While the pain is still real bad they just cut a person off completely. This is a big inducer of heroine addiction. Many heroine addicts don't start out recreationally they are people who turned to it after being cut off needed pain meds.
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12/21/10, 04:23 PM
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this is a little off topic, but my wife said somethign last night that i have never thgoht about. She complained that there are lots of anti smoking adds on tv depicting cancer patients, but she never sees any anti alcohol adds showing people dying from scerosis of the liver.
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12/21/10, 09:50 PM
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The VA is on top of this. Once they find a patent that has a very low tolerance for pain or one that abuses the drugs that are proscribed for him they will no longer provide him with any pain medication at all. I have even found them out in the smoking area trying to find out who is supplied with certain medications so they can buy them from them.
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Interesting, we just had a vet selling 1/2 of his prescriptions from the VA for a little spending money.
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12/22/10, 09:19 AM
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this is a little off topic, but my wife said somethign last night that i have never thgoht about. She complained that there are lots of anti smoking adds on tv depicting cancer patients, but she never sees any anti alcohol adds showing people dying from scerosis of the liver.
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It's not nearly as big of problem, in terms of total numbers of smoking-related vs. alcohol-related deaths or especially in terms of risk to the individual.
Roughly a third to half of smokers will die due to their smoking. I don't know what the numbers are for alcohol consumers or if anyone knows them but I would guess they're pretty small.
Tobacco is still the #1 cause of preventable deaths in the U.S. despite the dramatic drop in smoking prevalence since the '60s that's why you see the ads.
#2 cause is being obese/out of shape, that's why you may be starting to see more and more about this.
BTW, alcohol-related deaths are mainly due to accidents not cirrhosis of the liver. The liver is very resilient and typically can take a lot of abuse before succumbing.
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Drinking alcohol can be benificial to the health of a person. Smoking tobacco is never beneficial to their health.
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Drinking alcohol can be benificial to the health of a person. Smoking tobacco is never beneficial to their health.
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This is another good point. Many studies show moderate consumption (~2 drinks per day) of alcohol is more healthy than consuming none at all. At least the studies I've seen for cardiovascular disease show you need to be a pretty heavy drinker (~5 drinks per day) for it to become as unhealthy as not drinking at all.
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12/23/10, 09:35 AM
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dwayne, and pancho, I knew that alcohol is good for the body. I just didnt think about that. IM gonna remind my wife.
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A pint of prevention.....
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Nope, I don't think the pharmaceutical companies will ever have any problems. If there are hearings, it will be smoke and mirrors and will result in no problems for the drug companies and no slow down in the money from drug companies to law makers and bureaucrats.
It didn't hurt the tobacco companies and contrary to what people seem to believe, a lot of people still smoke and what is worse, a lot of young people smoke - I see more teens smoking now than ever before. I think the people who believe all the 'anti-smoking' campaigns have had a serious effect are believing what the want to believe.
As far as other countries having problems with overuse of antibiotics, I doubt any country in the world has as much problems as we do in this country. It just costs you more here as you have to pay a doctor to write the prescription and it costs more at the drug store. Doctors routinely prescribe antibiotics for every kind of 'itis' you can imagine - whether it will have any positive effect or not.
Just let an old person go into a doctor's office and tell them they take no medication. They begin rubbing their hands together and envisioning new bass boats. I had a doctor tell me my blood pressure was high and 'we' needed to do something about it. I said, no, not really.
She said, 'well, it's not a 20 year old blood pressure'.
I said, 'look at me - this isn't a 20 year old body.''
She agreed and laughed, and then began to tell me how good my other tests were.
They did blood tests on my husband, his blood sugar was spiked. On the weight of that one blood test, the lab declared him a borderline diabetic, without knowing when he had eaten last, what he had eaten, the time of day of blood was drawn - anything.
Now for a lot of old people, those two things could have resulted in several prescriptions - we are just onery.
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