New Punishment for those Already Convicted?

[fantasymaker]

Any body Know if this is true? Ive heard there is a new law that prohibits anyone with a sex crime conviction of being on ANY body of water that has a beach.
Could that be right? No where on the Mississippi cause there's a beach at Saint Paul? Not able to work a tow boat? How about on ships at sea? How far do they carry this after all don't most waters flow into something with a beach?

[plowjockey]

With sex crime convictions, there really is no having "done your time".

You'll be watched and dogged for the rest of one's life. They will chase them out of one neighborhood, only to be chased out of the next. If it effect's one getting a job, os a ship or riverboat, too bad.

Sex crime punishments carry a lot of political steam, so politicians will enact more and use the news of more punishments to their advantage.

A big problem nowdays, is the the counts of real sex offenders, are being diluted by lame convictions, such as when a public urination (peeing outside) gets bumped up to "indecent exposure", which is a sex crime. Also, a 17 year old gets a sex offender conviction, for saving sex with a 15 year old. When you end up with 50 sex offenders in your neighborhood, it kinda defeats the purpose of the sex offender list. Sell your home,move to a different neighborhood and there will be 50 more.

[fantasymaker]

Your right that its a mater of politics What in one area would never even be looked at is the "BIG Conviction " in another. So while in one Area willing sex with someone a few days under age just be fore marriage results in years in jail in the next forced sodomy with a 8 year old is plea bargained away.

[tinknal]

I wonder if that includes ice fishing?

[ChristyACB]

There are a lot of things in the works at the state and federal levels to change the way the sex offender registry is run. The big ones are the so called "not-sex sex crimes" like peeing in the bushes outside or having parents that don't like their kids' boyfriend/girlfriend call the cops the day after he/she turns 18 and their baby is less than 16 (or 17 in some cases).

Looks like they are going to try to simultaneously tighten up the restrictions on them as well as bringing back some sense into what gets on the registry.

I look at it at least a couple of times a year to make sure no one bad has moved into our neighborhood and some of the stuff they get on there for is just ridiculous.

[JanS]

Originally Posted by plowjockey

With sex crime convictions, there really is no having "done your time".

You'll be watched and dogged for the rest of one's life. They will chase them out of one neighborhood, only to be chased out of the next.

Sex crimes in general, no. Sex crimes against children, I hope so, they deserve to be watched and dogged for the rest of their life. Preferably kept in jail. You don't just "get over" an attraction to children.

[Old Vet]

What state are you talking about? It may make sense in Nebraska but not in some other state. Just because it may be the law in your state doesn't mean it will be in other states. In Arkansas there are 4 different kinds of sex crime. From exposing yourself to rape and each one of them has a different punishment.Some of them are misdemeanors but the top three are felon. If you are convicted of Rape you need to be watched more than somebody that was caught exposing yourself not in front of children.

[fantasymaker]

Originally Posted by JanS

Sex crimes in general, no. Sex crimes against children, I hope so, they deserve to be watched and dogged for the rest of their life. Preferably kept in jail. You don't just "get over" an attraction to children.

Yep but who decides that?
was the 21 year old that had sex with the 16 year old attracted to children...what if she looked 25 was it still a attraction to children?
What if she seduced him?
How about the 21 year old attracted to a woman that IS 28 but looks 12?
it all gets way to complicated to work with any law I know of.

[pancho]

If a person is convicted of any crime they should be punished. When they complete that punishment they should be released. If people are not satisfied with the punishment there should be longer sentences. Telling a person where they can live the rest of their life is going above the law.

[Ken Scharabok]

I agree with pancho to some extent. You do the crime, you do the time. After that they should not be treated any different than any other criminal. Yes, they might do so again, but what is the reincarnatetion rate for other crimes?

In prison, I understand they are at the absolute bottom of the pecking order.

When a child disappears where is the first place they look, the sexual offerder list for the area.

[Ken Scharabok]

When I lived in Ohio I recall a law which said the sentence for anyone convicted of sex with a child under the age of 13 received a life-time sentence. However, I vaguely recall it being overturned as 'crule and unusual' punishment in that it had up age limit for the offender, say a 13-year-old.

My BIL has a twin sister who had three daughters. All three were at least 36Bs when they were twelve-years-old.

[Ana Bluebird]

I wouldn't be surprised because it is so hot politically right now. We have a neighbor that is a registered sex offender and his crime was having a nasty divorce from a nasty woman. No one believes a word of it.

[Emmy D]

Originally Posted by pancho

If a person is convicted of any crime they should be punished. When they complete that punishment they should be released. If people are not satisfied with the punishment there should be longer sentences. Telling a person where they can live the rest of their life is going above the law.

Nobody is telling "them" where they can live, that is what is upsetting to me! How about if you have young daughters and a convicted pedofile (selling pics of his 8 year old daughter on the internet) moves three houses down from you? What then?

Emmy

[mistletoad]

Originally Posted by Emmy D

Nobody is telling "them" where they can live, that is what is upsetting to me! How about if you have young daughters and a convicted pedofile (selling pics of his 8 year old daughter on the internet) moves three houses down from you? What then?

Emmy

Then his sentence was not long enough. But also you know to avoid the person and his house. You might do well to also avoid the other people in your neighbourhood as they may be peadophiles who have not yet been convicted, or perhaps they are murderers - I don't really want a murderer living next door to me but I don't think there is a register for them.

[fantasymaker]

Originally Posted by Emmy D

Nobody is telling "them" where they can live, that is what is upsetting to me! How about if you have young daughters and a convicted pedofile (selling pics of his 8 year old daughter on the internet) moves three houses down from you? What then?

Emmy

Telling you where you cant live is very close to telling you were you can live.
For instance in the town I live near there are exactly THREE houses a sex offender can live in. there are 200 houses there but due to the layout of schools and parks only three would be available to a sex offender.
Ive heard of cases where a offender has been followed by someone buying empty lots or renting a house then designating lots as parks so that the offender has to move.

[MELOC]

Originally Posted by pancho

If a person is convicted of any crime they should be punished. When they complete that punishment they should be released. If people are not satisfied with the punishment there should be longer sentences. Telling a person where they can live the rest of their life is going above the law.

it's not often we find common ground, but i agree 100%. when a person is finished with their sentence, they should have no other punishment or infringement on their rights. they should be able to live as any other citizen...own firearms...vote...associate with anyone.

[pancho]

Originally Posted by Emmy D

Nobody is telling "them" where they can live, that is what is upsetting to me! How about if you have young daughters and a convicted pedofile (selling pics of his 8 year old daughter on the internet) moves three houses down from you? What then?

Emmy

Of course I would take special care and watch my daughter closely. The same as I would if anyone else moved in 3 houses down. If a person completes the sentence the judge gave them I won't try to punish the person further. Moving 3 houses down from me isn't a crime that I know of.

Now if a person molested my daughter that would be different. No one would ever have to worry about where they would live.

[pancho]

Originally Posted by MELOC

it's not often we find common ground, but i agree 100%. when a person is finished with their sentence, they should have no other punishment or infringement on their rights. they should be able to live as any other citizen...own firearms...vote...associate with anyone.

This old world would be a very boring place if we all agreed all of the time.
Sure don't think I would like it at all.

[tinknal]

I suspect that as usual, it is a case of politicians picking the low hanging fruit.

[Trixie]

It depends on the crime, that's why I don't agree with 'sentencing guidelines'.

Not every sex offenders gets convicted of a sex offense - even against a child - plea bargaining is usually to keep that from happening - so no registration.

Just my opinion, someone who is attracted to children should never breathe free air again. If they do, they should be tracked, monitored, and registered. I don't care what size 'chests' the children have.

Rape of an adult may be different, I'm not sure. If a person can't control their 'urges' any better, I'm thinking time in prison isn't going to make a lot of difference.