Bizarre and violent week...falling apart!

ChristyACB · #1 09/09/10, 05:05 AM

I don't know what is going on around here. It has been a bizarre and crime ridden week. This is just from this mornings news:

Horse here sexually assaulted, police think with a baseball bat. Her back legs are swollen from where they had her in restraints. She's in a lot of pain and in treatment now. She was in her own pasture in full daylight!

Old man beaten to death on a public street by a bunch of teens. Their reason? One said he would hit the next person he saw to impress a girl standing with a bunch of other gang girls on a corner. He was walking to the restaurant for his daughters wedding reception right after the wedding. They killed him on a public street. They were caught and 2 are being charged as adults.

Murder suicide of a man and wife found in their home.

And that was just the top crime stories....

Kazahleenah · #2 09/09/10, 05:14 AM

been going crazy around here as well. Just said something to my boss yesterday about how "things have gone nuts" around here lately. Maybe it's the moon... maybe it's the economy..

Texasdirtdigger · #3 09/09/10, 05:17 AM

Oh, my! This is sad.

sewserious · #4 09/09/10, 07:38 AM

As in the days of Noah. Can't imagine how much worse it must have been then, but apparently it was. I think these things are just a drop in the bucket of what is to come.

QoTL · #5 09/09/10, 07:44 AM

When the economy is bad, and people are broke, crime rises.

I live in Maine. Practically a no-crime state (a bit of an exaggeration but.. not far off...usually).

My husband's aunt and uncle were nearly robbed a few nights ago by someone in a halloween mask claiming to be the state police. Thankfully that person didn't manage to get in with his shotgun. The sad part is the aunt and uncle have nothing. Literally nothing. The husband digs worms to pay the bills.

There have been a number of murders as well lately.

Horrid. And a sign of the times.

georger · #6 09/09/10, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sewserious

As in the days of Noah. Can't imagine how much worse it must have been then, but apparently it was. I think these things are just a drop in the bucket of what is to come.

I think people read into that and that is what spurs them on to act stupidly and irrationaly to justify themselves, as these reported news events show.

People are so into spreading negativity these days, it's a monkey-see monkey-do atmosphere.

If people just kept their minds and their hands busy with useful work and deeds, then nobody would have time for such idiocy.

My opinion.

beccachow · #7 09/09/10, 09:26 AM

WOw, I am so sorry for all this.

Wayne02 · #8 09/09/10, 11:57 AM

Yep, crime happens, particularly in rural areas. Last report I read said crime was down overall, but I suspect they used cities as the index for that measurement. It certainly feels like crime is up in the rural areas.

Triple homicide is the latest.

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SALKUM, Wash. - Police are searching for a suspect in a triple murder in Lewis County.

Investigators believe 31-year-old John Allen Booth shot four people at a home near the small community of Salkum early Saturday morning. Three people died and a fourth is in critical condition.

But the sheriff is very clear about the suspect.

"He's a local man with a lot of criminal problems," said Mansfield. "Someone that needs to be in prison."

Booth has a lengthy police record, including convictions for burglary, theft, attempting to elude police, criminal trespass and assault. Prison records show Booth just got out last December and was on community supervision out of Tacoma.

Mansfield says Booth got tangled up with drugs and was at the Salkum home Saturday night, collecting on a debt.

This guy was well known in the local area, attended school in the local area and was a bad seed from the get-go. His rap sheet is ridiculously long and he should have been put away for good many years ago.

Don't kid yourselves about the 'safety' of rural areas, guys like this live and operate within all rural areas to some degree or another.

JuliaAnn · #9 09/09/10, 12:19 PM

I got the local free paper out of the driveway yesterday and read the first few pages. Right in our little town, an illegal was arrested for beating an elderly man nearly to death. His accomplice was a young woman wanted for meth distribution. The illegal and his accomplice stole the man's $600 SS check and some odds and ends. Both are in custody.

Nearest apartment complex--mother severely intoxicated took her toddler out to the pool. Mother passed out on the paving by the pool, child nearly drowned. Police called, child in CPS custody now, mother in jail for felony endangerment.

Down by the high school, a meth lab expoloded, killing one man and severely burning another.

There is a scam going around right now where a couple, young man and woman, approach homes and knock on doors asking for 'so and so'. When told they have the wrong house, they act as if they are leaving and as the home owner is closing the door, the perpetrators burst through the door, beating and robbing the home owners.

Yes, it's everywhere, even in rural areas. And yes, it's getting worse. FAR worse than it used to be.

SRSLADE · #10 09/09/10, 04:53 PM

Sick sick sick.

sewserious · #11 09/09/10, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by georger

I think people read into that and that is what spurs them on to act stupidly and irrationaly to justify themselves, as these reported news events show.

People are so into spreading negativity these days, it's a monkey-see monkey-do atmosphere.

If people just kept their minds and their hands busy with useful work and deeds, then nobody would have time for such idiocy.

My opinion.

What I said does not spur folks into acting stupidly and justifying themselves; the folks that do these things have, for the most part, probably never read that passage in the Bible and would have no idea what it meant! Obviously, you don't know either.

What it means is that, at some point in time, God is going to destroy this world again for its wickedness, not by flood as in Noah's time but it will be destroyed. This passage means that the world had become so wicked in Noah's time that God felt he had to destroy it. It obviously is not nearly that wicked yet, as He has, so far, stayed His hand and hasn't yet destroyed it. That is not justifying anything, it is the truth.

Is what those folks did wrong? Yes. Is there anything that can justify it? No. But, while it is shocking, it doesn't surprise me at all.

Loquisimo · #12 09/09/10, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sewserious

What I said does not spur folks into acting stupidly and justifying themselves; the folks that do these things have, for the most part, probably never read that passage in the Bible and would have no idea what it meant! Obviously, you don't know either.

What it means is that, at some point in time, God is going to destroy this world again for its wickedness, not by flood as in Noah's time but it will be destroyed. This passage means that the world had become so wicked in Noah's time that God felt he had to destroy it. It obviously is not nearly that wicked yet, as He has, so far, stayed His hand and hasn't yet destroyed it. That is not justifying anything, it is the truth.

Is what those folks did wrong? Yes. Is there anything that can justify it? No. But, while it is shocking, it doesn't surprise me at all.

I always wondered, from a purely theological standpoint, why God didn't destroy the world and leave it that way, if it had become so wicked. Why not lift Noah and his family up to heaven and then wipe out everything and then say "well, I learned my lesson" and then turn His attention to other worlds to try again from square one? Do Christian theologists even address that? If God knew that by saving Noah and his family that humans would just become so wicked again that He'd have to do the whole thing over, why not just destroy it and leave it destroyed?

georger · #13 09/09/10, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sewserious

What I said does not spur folks into acting stupidly and justifying themselves; the folks that do these things have, for the most part, probably never read that passage in the Bible and would have no idea what it meant! Obviously, you don't know either.

People will hear of things, either from their friends or from the news....and an idea will get into their head if they are somewhat disturbed already, they may allow such ideas to come forth in the form of “copy cat” crimes. Monkey-see Monkey-do does exist among humans.

It is not hard to observe that the state of our general popular culture work very hard to try to keep people as intellectually and as emotionally immature, selfish and as childish for as long as possible, to limit the capacity of the individual - in the name of being a “team" player in the service of the economy and the almighty dollar and those who operate and control the wealth.

Political groups, large corporations and organized religion - islands of their own cultural formation based upon their own private belief systems - function in these roles as controllers and possessors of wealth and power, and seek to maintain their control over the populace by such means as they see fit to the service of their wealth.

Thinking for one’s own self is not encouraged in this system, this is quite obvious.

So it is no surprise that it may occur people may gain "education" from popular culture, sub-cultures and from media, from news, from popular TV shows such as CSI* and other forms of entertainment, some of which is getting more and more graphic and violent - because taste and “customer demand” have encouraged it.

And it is no surprise that some people will come to have an affinity for the grotesque and the disturbing as these nasty news reports have demonstrated.

But it is not limited to the popular media. Witness another example, how the culture in the church has perpetuated child abuse by priests for decades and how the church has worked so hard and spent so much energy to cover up it’s crimes instead of making things right by the victims....all in the service of maintaining wealth and power and ultimately control.

Is it so important, wealth and power, especially when “you can’t take it with you”? Think about it.

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Originally Posted by sewserious

What it means is that, at some point in time, God is going to destroy this world again for its wickedness, not by flood as in Noah's time but it will be destroyed. This passage means that the world had become so wicked in Noah's time that God felt he had to destroy it. It obviously is not nearly that wicked yet, as He has, so far, stayed His hand and hasn't yet destroyed it. That is not justifying anything, it is the truth.

I’ve heard that before. But suppose a person is not christian or a follower of any of the popular religions? What then? Is a person condemned if they know how to be a good person but do not follow a popularity contest? Many Inuit for example are natually very good people, for example, and a study of Inuit culture will reveal that many of the so-called “Christian” values were already a natural part of Inuit culture.

Are people of another culture therefore condemned because they do not follow a popular religion, even if they are good people?

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Originally Posted by sewserious

Is what those folks did wrong? Yes. Is there anything that can justify it? No. But, while it is shocking, it doesn't surprise me at all.

Yes of course, that goes without saying.

I’ve found there’s no need for a devil to be invented or for some imaginary celestial battle to hijack the imaginations of generations....mankind is quite capable of being it’s own devil as well as it’s own saviour. No religion is needed, only education is needed to help guide each individual to his or her own best state of being. It’s a life long education process.

What is really needed and what is absent today is opportunity for young people to grow, develop and thrive in an natural environment which does not reek of greed and avarice, where characteristics such as intellectual honesty is valued more than being wealthy, sexy or popular.

It is always healthy to keep in mind that nothing happens in a vacuum, that everything is connected to some other thing, that some incident is connected to some other incident, and that it is all changable, all correctable if people only take command for a decent, unselfish and good purpose.

(*That’s certainly NOT to say and most certainly NOT to misunderstand that all people who watch CSI or watch the news will be disturbed or motivated towards crimes....obviously if that were the case, the rate of crime would be a lot higher.

But it cannot be denied that the state of our culture and our maintenance of wealth and power DOES have influence over the well being of people and their state of peace.)

Just Cliff · #14 09/09/10, 08:58 PM

Be thankful that you have the option of not hearing or reading about it every day.

JuliaAnn · #15 09/09/10, 10:13 PM

why God didn't
Why not
then say "well, I learned my lesson
"well, I learned my lesson" and then turn His attention to other worlds to try again from square one?
why not just destroy it and leave it destroyed?
Do Christian theologists even address that?

Yes, they do. They would tell you, that you cannot know the mind of God. You cannot second guess Him. He is supreme, you are not.

We can't know what reasons God has for doing or not doing things. We simply have no way to know. Our minds are limited to the four dimensions we live within--length, width, height, and time. For example, we can understand the *concept* of eternity, but other than that, there is no way for us to ever fully KNOW eternity, at least as long as we are alive. Any time we say 'God should have done this" or "God should have done that", we are imposing OUR mortal, four dimensional demands, desires, and standards on Him, and that's just not how it works. We don't get to dictate to God how He should act. If we accept Him as supreme, we have to accept His will.

Someone else can probably explain it better than I can.

sewserious · #16 09/10/10, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by georger

But it is not limited to the popular media. Witness another example, how the culture in the church has perpetuated child abuse by priests for decades and how the church has worked so hard and spent so much energy to cover up it’s crimes instead of making things right by the victims....all in the service of maintaining wealth and power and ultimately control.

This was the Roman Catholic Church that did this; they do not speak for all of Christianity nor do their actions portray true Christianity; I will leave it at that. I am not here to debate this. There are other boards for that.

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I’ve heard that before. But suppose a person is not christian or a follower of any of the popular religions? What then? Is a person condemned if they know how to be a good person but do not follow a popularity contest? Many Inuit for example are natually very good people, for example, and a study of Inuit culture will reveal that many of the so-called “Christian” values were already a natural part of Inuit culture.

Again, i am not going to debate theology/religion/faith with you. Just know that "good" is not what Christianity is about. Christian values aren't even what gets you to heaven. Again, there are other boards to debate these ideas.

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I’ve found there’s no need for a devil to be invented or for some imaginary celestial battle to hijack the imaginations of generations....mankind is quite capable of being it’s own devil as well as it’s own saviour. No religion is needed, only education is needed to help guide each individual to his or her own best state of being. It’s a life long education process.

Man was not made with evil in their heart but evil entered way back in the Garden of Eden and cannot be gotten rid of, (a little hint for you, even Christians are born with evil in their heart!) but I don't expect you to believe that. No man is perfect and can never be. Do you have to teach children to do right or wrong?

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But it cannot be denied that the state of our culture and our maintenance of wealth and power DOES have influence over the well being of people and their state of peace.)

I agree to a point; however, I don't define my quality of life by any of these things. I have been without and I have had plenty. i have been in positions of "power" in my lifetime. These things or the lack thereof do not cause me anxiety or give me peace. The peace in my life comes from something far greater and I am not prone to being anxious about or worry over anything. Do I care, yes? Do these things worry me? No.

Wayne02 · #17 09/11/10, 06:53 PM

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Jackson, Ky. (WHAS11) - A man in rural eastern Kentucky shot and killed five people before killing himself.

The shooting happened in a trailer park in Jackson, about 90 miles from Lexington.

The sheriff said 47-year-old Stanley Neace, a resident of the trailer park, did the shooting.

A family member of two people killed said the shootings happened after the gunman and his wife argued over how she cooked his eggs.

http://www.whas11.com/news/State-pol...102701074.html

Beeman · #18 09/11/10, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by georger

I think people read into that and that is what spurs them on to act stupidly and irrationaly to justify themselves, as these reported news events show.

People are so into spreading negativity these days, it's a monkey-see monkey-do atmosphere.

If people just kept their minds and their hands busy with useful work and deeds, then nobody would have time for such idiocy.

My opinion.

For what it's worth I feel your opinion is correct. The most important part of it is the keeping one's hands and mind's busy with useful work. We are a nation of workers, like it or not. Jobs is what we need and jobs with an incentive to work and move up.

If you buy into the God's going to destroy the world belief why even bother trying?

naturelover · #19 09/11/10, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by georger

I think people read into that and that is what spurs them on to act stupidly and irrationaly to justify themselves, as these reported news events show.

People are so into spreading negativity these days, it's a monkey-see monkey-do atmosphere.

If people just kept their minds and their hands busy with useful work and deeds, then nobody would have time for such idiocy.

My opinion.

Woo Hoo George !!! Great posts, both of them. Well said!

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sewserious · #20 09/12/10, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Beeman

For what it's worth I feel your opinion is correct. The most important part of it is the keeping one's hands and mind's busy with useful work. We are a nation of workers, like it or not. Jobs is what we need and jobs with an incentive to work and move up.

If you buy into the God's going to destroy the world belief why even bother trying?

Why bother? Because who knows when it will be? There is the matter of eternity to consider, which is much more important that the speck of time one spends on earth.

Does keeping busy play into things? Sure, but what about folks who fall on hard times and can't stay as busy as usual and yet don't commit such acts? Might there be something different about them to begin with? Might it be that they have hope and faith in something other than man and a peace that surpasses all understanding (in other words, it is not something that one can understand until they experience it)? That they don't have to have a job or the praise of men to know their worth?

I think folks that commit these acts have no hope in something far better (and I don't mean being wealthy, etc ) and cannot focus on anything but the here and now, which is bleak for them at the time. They have nothing else and that is very, very sad.