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1 of every 12 babies born in 2008 had illegal immigrant parent
About 340,000 of the 4.3 million babies born in the United States in 2008 — or 8 percent — had at least one parent who was an illegal immigrant, according to a study published by the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research group in Washington.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/us...s.html?_r=1&hp
Of course it is probably 1 in every 10 now.
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Unless you are a "pure" native American, some of your ancestors were born to immigrant parents too. Should we kick out all the descendants of those original Mayflower families who came to a foreign country without citizenship? We need to watch our nation's attitude about racism because the large majority of us are not American Indians.
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08/11/10, 06:04 PM
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There is a word "illegal" that has a lot of importance. Do you want to welcome everyone who comes seeking welfare? What about those who wish to violently change our religion and mores (not that we have many)?
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Unless you are a "pure" native American, some of your ancestors were born to immigrant parents too. Should we kick out all the descendants of those original Mayflower families who came to a foreign country without citizenship? We need to watch our nation's attitude about racism because the large majority of us are not American Indians.
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Maybe you need to get with todays problems. Digging up a bit of history would tell you that the native Americans had no immigration policy, therefore, your argument is invalid. Times have changed. Unless you are a "pure" moron, you would realize that the United States of America has some of the easiest immigration LAWS of any country. Why not expect them to be inforced and obeyed. Personally, I think that we need to adopt stricter laws, eliminate anchor babies and confiscate anything that an illegal has accumulated before we kick them out. Many of the problems facing this country today are caused by failing to control our borders.
Illegal immigration is about people of all kinds coming to America without putting forth the effort to actually become Americans. It is not RACIST to want immigration that is good for America. There is nothing RACIST about enforcing our laws.
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Was that really necessary?
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Maybe you need to get with todays problems. Digging up a bit of history would tell you that the native Americans had no immigration policy, therefore, your argument is invalid. Times have changed. Unless you are a "pure" moron, you would realize that the United States of America has some of the easiest immigration LAWS of any country. Why not expect them to be inforced and obeyed. Personally, I think that we need to adopt stricter laws, eliminate anchor babies and confiscate anything that an illegal has accumulated before we kick them out. Many of the problems facing this country today are caused by failing to control our borders.
Illegal immigration is about people of all kinds coming to America without putting forth the effort to actually become Americans. It is not RACIST to want immigration that is good for America. There is nothing RACIST about enforcing our laws.
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At one time murder wasn't against the law.
Would you commit murder if that was still the case.
At one time using crack wasn't against the law.
At one time speeding and drunk driving wasn't against the law.
Just because the native americans did not write down a law do you think it was right to take their land?
How do you know there was no immigration policy.
The people of the U.S. has chosen not to enforce the laws that deal with immigration. They decided that many years ago.
Just about everyione on this forum came to what is now the U.S. uninvited.
I don't remember the native americans sending out invitations.
I can see you have little respect for the constituition. Also can see you have little respect for the property of others.
Many, if not all, of the problems facing this country can be traced back to crooked politicians and those who put them into office.
We have more problems with our elected offficials than we do with illegals.
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08/11/10, 08:14 PM
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1 of every 12 babies born in 2008 had illegal immigrant parent
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That seems unreasonably high.
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08/11/10, 08:17 PM
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Yes, tolerance IS killing the USA. Out wonderful "laws" are allowing this to happen. I think if those who wish to keep the constitution the law of the land - the BEST form of government in the entire world - we need to look at a lot of "things" and change those things that are destroying our country.
Now this is just a question for those who actually think our constitution is the best form of government - and that there are some things that are like a man eating fungus.
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08/11/10, 08:23 PM
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At one time murder wasn't against the law.
Would you commit murder if that was still the case.
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Expecting immigration laws to be enforced has nothing to do with murder. Unless you wish to bring up the crimes committed by illegal aliens.
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At one time using crack wasn't against the law.
At one time speeding and drunk driving wasn't against the law.
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At one time in history, conquest was the norm. If you can take land, and keep it, it is yours. This is no longer true or we would not have gone into Kuwait. We would also own Iraq and Afganistan.
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Just because the native americans did not write down a law do you think it was right to take their land?
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See previous post.
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How do you know there was no immigration policy.
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If you say there was an immigration policy, then it was not enforced. Look what that got the native Americans. Do you really believe that tribes that took land from each other via war had immigration policies? The strongest tribes had the best and most land. If the tribe they took it from wanted it back, they had to win it back.
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The people of the U.S. has chosen not to enforce the laws that deal with immigration. They decided that many years ago.
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Not this person and many others. Look at the support fo Arizonas law.
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Just about everyione on this forum came to what is now the U.S. uninvited.
I don't remember the native americans sending out invitations.
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I don't remember them being able to write at that time. I would say that just about everyone on this forum was born in the country that they are currently living in and their families were there for several generations.
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I can see you have little respect for the constituition. Also can see you have little respect for the property of others.
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I served in the US Military for 21+ years. Don't tell me that I have no respect for the Constitution. Illegal earned property should be confiscated. Look at the drug laws concerning confiscation. Where in the Constitution does it say that I can steal from you and if caught, I get to keep it. These illegals are stealing from the American public.
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Many, if not all, of the problems facing this country can be traced back to crooked politicians and those who put them into office.
We have more problems with our elected offficials than we do with illegals.
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Unfortunately, you fail to see the population dynamics. I would think that there are more illegal aliens in prison than there are practicing politicians.
I do agree that politicians are a huge problem. Corruption is rampant and they do not understand that they are to represent the people.
I have traveled to many different countries. They all had VERY strict policies even for travel through, vacationing and business. Illegals were hunted down in Singapore. Been there, seen it, have the t-shirt.
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At one time in history, conquest was the norm. If you can take land, and keep it, it is yours. This is no longer true or we would not have gone into Kuwait. We would also own Iraq and Afganistan.
If you say there was an immigration policy, then it was not enforced. Look what that got the native Americans. Do you really believe that tribes that took land from each other via war had immigration policies? The strongest tribes had the best and most land. If the tribe they took it from wanted it back, they had to win it back.
Not this person and many others. Look at the support fo Arizonas law.
I don't remember them being able to write at that time. I would say that just about everyone on this forum was born in the country that they are currently living in and their families were there for several generations.
I served in the US Military for 21+ years. Don't tell me that I have no respect for the Constitution. Illegal earned property should be confiscated. Look at the drug laws concerning confiscation. Where in the Constitution does it say that I can steal from you and if caught, I get to keep it. These illegals are stealing from the American public.
Unfortunately, you fail to see the population dynamics. I would think that there are more illegal aliens in prison than there are practicing politicians.
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The U.S. was built by taking the land and keeping it. I am not opposed to this. If I remember right a lot of the U.S. was taken from Mexico. If it was reversed and I was one of those who had land taken I would probably have a different opinion.
I don't know if there was an immigration policy or not. I imagine they never thought there was a need for one. When they decided there might be a need for one it was too late.
I agree that if there was one it wasn't enforced. Much like the immigration policy we have now. It hasn't been enforced since we decided we needed one.
I can see some support for the Arizona law but I don't know if it is anywhere near a majority.
I will agree that most of the people on this forum were born here as were their ancestors. What you seem to forget is that many illegals have been here several generations. They also have children born in this country but for some reason you do not think they should be citizens.
You may have respect for the constitution but you want to pick and choose what you want enforced. I think it is a case of taking everything it says or nothing.
I would be curious to see the percentages of illegals in prison compared to the percentages of crooked politicians in prison. Guess it might not be really fair as most of the politicians fail to get convicted and even when they are convicted they can get off by just resigning.
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"I will agree that most of the people on this forum were born here as were their ancestors. What you seem to forget is that many illegals have been here several generations. They also have children born in this country but for some reason you do not think they should be citizens."
Yeah, they've been BREAKING THE LAW for many generations, so we should reward them for that behavior????
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Y'know for those who want to keep invoking the Native Americans...They killed to protect what they considered theirs...Land they had sometimes taken from other tribes...Now if we're going to keep on about how the Native Americans did it, then maybe we should adopt some of their policies?
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Um, if they've been here for several generations, in what way are they illegal? The immigrant ancestors might have been illegal, depending on the immigration laws at the time of their arrival, but people born here ARE citizens. If several generations have been born here, they are all citizens.
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It IS unreasonable to allow that many
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"I will agree that most of the people on this forum were born here as were their ancestors. What you seem to forget is that many illegals have been here several generations. They also have children born in this country but for some reason you do not think they should be citizens."
Yeah, they've been BREAKING THE LAW for many generations, so we should reward them for that behavior????
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When the first child was born on our soil it wasn't breaking any laws. It is a citizen the same as you and I. Or that is what the constitution says. There are those who want to pick and choose the parts of the constitution they want and discard everything they do not agree with.
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Y'know for those who want to keep invoking the Native Americans...They killed to protect what they considered theirs...Land they had sometimes taken from other tribes...Now if we're going to keep on about how the Native Americans did it, then maybe we should adopt some of their policies?
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It is true the native americans killed each other over rights to certain lands. Not only did we adopt their policies we added quite a few other policies.
We have killed the owners of lands and then claimed them as their own. Guess you could say we beat them at their own game. The people from other countries not only invaded their lands. They stole everything of value, killed and enslaved the native americans, and in some cases actually ate the native americans.
I am sure the native americans did not know they would be invaded by other countries, they didn't even know what a country was.
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08/11/10, 10:54 PM
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Unless you are a "pure" native American, some of your ancestors were born to immigrant parents too. Should we kick out all the descendants of those original Mayflower families who came to a foreign country without citizenship? We need to watch our nation's attitude about racism because the large majority of us are not American Indians.
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I only care about what the law is today. By definition, illegal immigrants break the law, so through them out.
And yes, I am a pure American. I bleed red, white, and blue.
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The people of the U.S. has chosen not to enforce the laws that deal with immigration. They decided that many years ago.
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No, the people of the US never chose any such thing. There are laws on the books regarding immigration and the majority of US citizens want the laws enforced. A country has the right to determine who can enter the country and who cannot.
Allowing Hispanics to come over the border in the hundreds of thousands is a racist act by the US. Why should other races be discriminated against? Maybe they could fly to Mexico and sneak across the border as well. We need a policy that does not favor anyone based on race or skin color, but makes the selection based on who is best for the US.
Like most Americans, I welcome immigrants that come through the front door. The ones that knock first.
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That seems unreasonably high.
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I agree. But unfortunately neither Democrats or Republicans will secure our borders.
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I think we should give every illegal a blanket that was used by someone who had smallpox.
(Does that please everyone?!    )
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