Migrant Workers

[big rockpile]

I watched a show last night Children of the Harvest.Got me to thinking the Jobs they are trying to say United States Citizens won't do but the Illegals will.Its not the fact United States Citizens won't do them its the fact Illegals break other Laws having their Kids work.

The reason I'm saying this it wasn't that many years ago you could have kids working in the fiields and alot did for extra money and their school Clothes.But with Child Labor Laws make it where Legal Citizens can't make a living like they use to.

I know this for a fact because when I was younger we would Contract to Chop Cotton and Bean fields and pick Produce,everyone would Pool their money together to do the year.Whole families were doing this,they were Citizens,no Illegals around where we was.

I know I was hiring kids young as 14,Goverment came in told me I couldn't have them as much as running Sewing Machine to Sew Bags of Grain shut all they could do was Stack Bags and Shovel Grain.But I guess if I was hiring Illegals it wouldn't matter.

big rockpile

[LonelyNorthwind]

Two of my grandkids, 18 & 19 are spending the summer up here working at the cannery processing fish. They're working sometimes 16 hours a day. They've taken one day off simply from exahustion. They're making $8 and hour with $12 overtime.

They are two of the four white kids working at the cannery! ALL the others are Mexicans.

[watcher]

Americans won't do the jobs because they don't have to. How many people would spend 10 hours a day in 90 degree heat chopping cotton when they could sit home in the AC watching TV and being paid by "the government" for not working?

You let all that "government" money dry up and see how fast Americans start doing those jobs to feed themselves.

[pancho]

I watched the same show. The people I saw on the show were U.S. citizens.
They owned property in the U.S. Were born and raised in the U.S. Sent their children to college. Paid taxes.
Looked like some of the legal U.S. citizens will get out and work at jobs that most people don't like.
These citizens were mexicans. There are lot of them in the U.S. legally. Some were here before there was a U.S.

[big rockpile]

Originally Posted by pancho

I watched the same show. The people I saw on the show were U.S. citizens.
They owned property in the U.S. Were born and raised in the U.S. Sent their children to college. Paid taxes.
Looked like some of the legal U.S. citizens will get out and work at jobs that most people don't like.
These citizens were mexicans. There are lot of them in the U.S. legally. Some were here before there was a U.S.

Yea I talked to one here while back going to College said if he was deployed back to Iraq he would go back to Mexico.

Funny after all their time here there was only one that knew English

big rockpile

[pancho]

Originally Posted by big rockpile

Yea I talked to one here while back going to College said if he was deployed back to Iraq he would go back to Mexico.

Funny after all their time here there was only one that knew English

big rockpile

Guess you didn't notice the ones who went to college. The ones that are now teachers in several states.

[big rockpile]

Originally Posted by pancho

Guess you didn't notice the ones who went to college. The ones that are now teachers in several states.

Yes and how much was Tax Payer money paid out for Tutoring and Grants?Its not really that hard to figure out.

big rockpile

[pancho]

Originally Posted by big rockpile

Yes and how much was Tax Payer money paid out for Tutoring and Grants?Its not really that hard to figure out.

big rockpile

Guess you were watching another show with the same name.
Born and raised U.S. citizens are all eligible for tutoring and grants.
I didn't see anywhere in the show that it was discussed. Maybe you have additional knowledge about the program.
What I saw was some very hard working U.S. citizens trying to make a living.
They may speak a different language than you do and they may be a little different color than you. Does that mean they are not allowed the same rights you have?
From what I saw on the show they worked hard for everything they had. They didn't sit at home waiting for a check, they went to where the work was and did the work.
Do you have a problem with U.S. citizens who will work for a living?

Wonder if their families were citizens of the U.S. before yours were?

[big rockpile]

You act like I haven't had any dealings with Illegals but just so happens I use to hire them and Transport them back durring the '80's.I still have connections with some and most try passing off as Legal when in truth they are not.

Explain how come you work next to a so called Legal for years then all of a sudden their last name changes? Hey don't P on my Leg and tell me its raining.

big rockpile

[wendle]

Flip side of the claim that American's won't do the jobs Illegals will. What about the large number of legal immigrants? Once they become citizens do they longer do those jobs? If that is the case, then will the illegals stop working them once given amnesty? I know at least around here Americans aren't too good for those jobs, and will work them. I have and would again.
I think this is just another lie to encourage people to support O's illegal reform.

[Lilandra]

I think what brp is trying to say is that migrant workers are draining the system - ie tutors for their kids because they miss so much school and because their primary language isn't English. Yes they work hard and as most farming families, their kids work along side them BUT this is the modern age and families have a responsibility to home school their children or put them in school so they can get an education to support themselves.

I had no problem with the people they profiled, I did have a problem with the timing of this show -- the farm labor bill is working thru committee right now and non-farming bureaucrats are debating it not realizing what farm kids actually mean to the family.

Those jobs in sugar beet country in Minnesota are in sparsely populated areas - the labor pool is virtually non-existent so they need folks from other areas. When I was under legal age to work in retail or fast food I picked cucumbers, broccoli and asparagus for a commercial farm. I rode my bike 10 miles to get there and made money per bushel... if there are folks, they hire them otherwise they recruit. You didn't see them showing Iowa and the corn fields. Out in my neck of the woods, these corn producers recruit HIGH SCHOOL KIDS.... you have to be 14 to detassel and pollinate. Its hard work, but there are kids who love it for the short term nature and opportunity for good money.

I do believe there is a hole in the employment circle, there are jobs people don't want to do and even with the high unemployment. The govt makes it too easy to sit back and collect a check, stand in line and get school supplies and medical care, fill out papers and get free housing etc...
We fail our children and community by not respecting hard work and holding the white collar worker in high regards. Any job that supports a family or an honest lifestyle deserves respect. We as a society are teaching generations that some jobs are beneath us, but then who is going to do them? We are creating victims for the govt to save and so there is always a class of people lesser than us so we can all feel better in our self serving, meaningless lives...

[big rockpile]

Lilandra what gets me there is many like my DD that think nobody should be doing Factory Jobs anymore,nobody works with their Back and the Sweat of their Brow.It has been said the last few years people won't do these Jobs.Thing is Millions of people were doing these Jobs as they left the country and would gladly take them back.

Thing is there is too many Chiefs and not enough Indians.More people would just soon either get out of High School go to Trade School or go to work producing products that can be used but on the same note want to make enough to keep up with the price of goods and take care of their family.

big rockpile

[pancho]

Originally Posted by Lilandra

I think what brp is trying to say is that migrant workers are draining the system - ie tutors for their kids because they miss so much school and because their primary language isn't English. Yes they work hard and as most farming families, their kids work along side them BUT this is the modern age and families have a responsibility to home school their children or put them in school so they can get an education to support themselves.

I had no problem with the people they profiled, I did have a problem with the timing of this show -- the farm labor bill is working thru committee right now and non-farming bureaucrats are debating it not realizing what farm kids actually mean to the family.

Those jobs in sugar beet country in Minnesota are in sparsely populated areas - the labor pool is virtually non-existent so they need folks from other areas. When I was under legal age to work in retail or fast food I picked cucumbers, broccoli and asparagus for a commercial farm. I rode my bike 10 miles to get there and made money per bushel... if there are folks, they hire them otherwise they recruit. You didn't see them showing Iowa and the corn fields. Out in my neck of the woods, these corn producers recruit HIGH SCHOOL KIDS.... you have to be 14 to detassel and pollinate. Its hard work, but there are kids who love it for the short term nature and opportunity for good money.

I do believe there is a hole in the employment circle, there are jobs people don't want to do and even with the high unemployment. The govt makes it too easy to sit back and collect a check, stand in line and get school supplies and medical care, fill out papers and get free housing etc...
We fail our children and community by not respecting hard work and holding the white collar worker in high regards. Any job that supports a family or an honest lifestyle deserves respect. We as a society are teaching generations that some jobs are beneath us, but then who is going to do them? We are creating victims for the govt to save and so there is always a class of people lesser than us so we can all feel better in our self serving, meaningless lives...

There is a very long history of workers needed for sugar beets. When the sugar beets were brought into the country they had to keep illegals locked up to work them. There were towns filled with only illegals kept year round, not allowed to leave. Many froze of starved during the winter. The history is a very interesting read. The sugar beet farmers went through all kinds of legal migrant workers and illegal workers. It I remember right the japanese were some of the first to work the beet fields. There isn't any history of white U.S. citizens working the fields. There are a few books on the subject. There is a lot a person can learn from the history of this one crop.

[Common Tator]

I want to mention something. Americans will do the work. They just won't do it for the exploitive wages that illegals will work for.

The last time our government did amnesty, the newly legals walked out of the fields and did not return. They were legal now, and could go take better paying jobs from Americans. So the farming jobs they had been doing were filled by a whole new influx of illegals that came here after the others had gotten their amnesty. These guys showed up in huge numbers seeking "amnestia".

[pancho]

Originally Posted by big rockpile

You act like I haven't had any dealings with Illegals but just so happens I use to hire them and Transport them back durring the '80's.I still have connections with some and most try passing off as Legal when in truth they are not.

Explain how come you work next to a so called Legal for years then all of a sudden their last name changes? Hey don't P on my Leg and tell me its raining.

big rockpile

What you fail to understand from the show and what I have failed in trying to explain is these were not illegals and never were. They were mexicans but their family had a long history of being natural born citizens.
They owned property in a couple of states, payed taxes and were like just about all other citizens. The only difference is they were migrant workers part of the year and they were mexican. Years ago there were many white citizen migrant workers. They became fewer because their families became smaller. I know one family very well. The couple had 13 children and they were migrant workers. The parents would ride in the front of the pickup and all of the kids would ride in the back. Usually the father would let his wife out with all of the kids to work and he would scout other jobs for them.

[NoClue]

Originally Posted by Common Tator

I want to mention something. Americans will do the work. They just won't do it for the exploitive wages that illegals will work for.

The last time our government did amnesty, the newly legals walked out of the fields and did not return. They were legal now, and could go take better paying jobs from Americans. So the farming jobs they had been doing were filled by a whole new influx of illegals that came here after the others had gotten their amnesty. These guys showed up in huge numbers seeking "amnestia".

That's simply not true - at least not where I lived. At the time of the amnesty, I worked with dozens of illegal aliens. Very little actually changed in their lives, except they didn't have to hide anymore. Their paychecks didn't change a bit and the job was just as crappy as it had always been.

They did gradually, just as I did, eventually find a better job - and it was certainly easier for them to pursue that new job, since it didn't depend on an employer willing to hire someone illegal, but their replacements worked for exactly the same amount of money - minimum wage - which was all that company paid (and all it paid until it was bought out by another company).

[big rockpile]

pancho I'm sure by now you know it really don't matter if they are Legal or Illegal the way I feel about Mexicans.I wasn't always this way I had a Mexican GF in Colorado and Mexico.

What changed the way I feel is turning on my T.V. here a few years ago and seeing millions flying the Mexican Flag saying they were going to take over this country.After that I don't think we can send too much Lead that way. No matter what you or anyone else says will ever change my mind they are our enemy.

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[pancho]

Originally Posted by big rockpile

pancho I'm sure by now you know it really don't matter if they are Legal or Illegal the way I feel about Mexicans.I wasn't always this way I had a Mexican GF in Colorado and Mexico.

What changed the way I feel is turning on my T.V. here a few years ago and seeing millions flying the Mexican Flag saying they were going to take over this country.After that I don't think we can send too much Lead that way. No matter what you or anyone else says will ever change my mind they are our enemy.

big rockpile

I know. I remember when you felt different. Can't really say I blame you.
I just find it hard to put blame on a person or group who are trying their best to make a living. Some good and bad in every bunch. Sometimes we meet the bad and it makes us forget about the good.