Man paralyzed after drinking raw milk

[willow_girl]

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...38/detail.html

http://thefoodsafetylawyer.com/2010/...campylobacter/

Campylobacter is believed to be the culprit.

Please be careful, folks.

[lilmizlayla]

why would anyone choose to drink raw milk instead of milk that has been sterilized and known to be safe?

[springvalley]

Here we go again, those of us that drink and sell raw milk, choose to do so because this still is america. I do not want those of you to drink REAL milk that don`t want to, but allow me that right. This has been a hot topic on here before, and some are really going to make this look bad for those of us that sell raw "REAL" milk. How many people get sick and die from eating in restaurants each year. This is a risk we take if we choose to eat out, that is no different. I will argue this point till the cows come home, I still think that raw milk is safe on the most part, this farm bottles it`s own milk, which I think could be the problem to some degree. I don`t know , but I`m headed to the barn to milk, and bring some back to the house for lunch. And the wife is making butter from it today also, as I have said this is still the good ole U.S.A. and don`t take that right away from me. Thanks Marc P.S. Haypoint is going to eat this news up.

[Laura Zone 10]

How many people get sick and die from eating in restaurants each year.

I'd like to see some good stats of how many die from raw milk consumption, then numbers from salmonella, and then numbers from E coli.

Then I would like to see the stats from the salmonella cases that were contracted from the grocery store and then from restaurants.
Then I would like to see the stats from the E coli cases that were contracted from the grocery store, and then from restaurants.

I am going to guess the likelihood of contracting salmonella or E coli from your local grocery store or restaurant are at least DOUBLE the chances of dying from drinking raw milk.

But I would love to see the stats.

[Gercarson]

Telegraph.co.uk
Health News
One in six NHS patients 'misdiagnosed'
As many as one in six patients treated in NHS hospitals and GPs’ surgeries is being misdiagnosed, experts have warned.

For those who can't find their butts with both hands and a flashlight - to quote Joycelyn Elders "we ALL gonna die of sum'in"
I was raised on "raw" milk along with multiples of thousands of others - but now, let's make drinking raw milk some sort of "CRISIS" - yea, that's the ticket, crisis.

[Tiempo]

Originally Posted by Gercarson

Telegraph.co.uk
Health News
One in six NHS patients 'misdiagnosed'
As many as one in six patients treated in NHS hospitals and GPs’ surgeries is being misdiagnosed, experts have warned.

For those who can't find their butts with both hands and a flashlight - to quote Joycelyn Elders "we ALL gonna die of sum'in"
I was raised on "raw" milk along with multiples of thousands of others - but now, let's make drinking raw milk some sort of "CRISIS" - yea, that's the ticket, crisis.

Good grief, what on earth do misdiagnoses in the NHS system have to do with the OP??? Do you EVER give your agenda a rest?

FWIW

Many research studies have demonstrated the frequency of medical misdiagnoses.
There have been multiple autopsy studies that have uncovered frequent clinical errors and misdiagnoses, with some rates as high as 47 percent.3
A study of autopsies published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings comparing clinical diagnoses with postmortem diagnoses, for medical intensive care unit patients, revealed that in 26 percent of cases, a diagnosis was missed clinically. If the true diagnosis were known prior to death, it might have resulted in a change in treatment and prolonged survival in most of these misdiagnosed cases. The study’s researchers concluded, “Despite the introduction of more modern diagnostic techniques and of intensive and invasive monitoring, the number of missed major diagnoses has not essentially changed over the past 20 to 30 years”.4

[JeffNY]

My question for those who take prescription drugs. Are you aware that 300,000+ die per year from prescription drugs? How about other food borne illnesses.. Over 5500 die per year from them alone. Yet you still take that risk buying lettuce, tomatoes, maybe some luncheon meats. Fruits and Vegetables are responsible for more food borne illnesses than anything else. But I bet you don't think about that before buying any? How many other people have become paralyzed from food borne illnesses?


People treat raw milk as if it is a drug.. Makes you wonder if its being mistaken for liquid cocaine.


Jeff

[JeffNY]

Originally Posted by Gercarson

Telegraph.co.uk
Health News
One in six NHS patients 'misdiagnosed'
As many as one in six patients treated in NHS hospitals and GPs’ surgeries is being misdiagnosed, experts have warned.

For those who can't find their butts with both hands and a flashlight - to quote Joycelyn Elders "we ALL gonna die of sum'in"
I was raised on "raw" milk along with multiples of thousands of others - but now, let's make drinking raw milk some sort of "CRISIS" - yea, that's the ticket, crisis.

Not to mention when you come in, sick from eating something. The one question they ask is if you drank raw milk. Someone told us their mother went in, sick from eating meats, or veggies or something similar. They asked if she drank raw milk. This person has never touched it her entire life.


They single it out, and BAM its blamed, easy to blame something when the doctors dont know their ass from a hole in the ground.


Jeff

[pmondo]

Originally Posted by lilmizlayla

why would anyone choose to drink raw milk instead of milk that has been sterilized and known to be safe?

maybe you should do a search on how many people each year are made sick from your so called known to be safe milk

[Gercarson]

Originally Posted by Tiempo

Good grief, what on earth do misdiagnoses in the NHS system have to do with the OP??? Do you EVER give your agenda a rest?

FWIW

Well, yes - good grief. I'm pretty sure you won't find a connection to the inane OP that pointed out that ONE person has a problem with "raw milk" - and zillions of others have NEVER had a problem - plus, there is a very, very good chance that it was a misdiagnosis. Nope, I don't give up too easily - when we do, the liberal socialists take the bullypulpit as the only voice - and they only tell us WHAT we can do and WHEN we can do it - GOOD GRIEF indeed.

[calliemoonbeam]

Just another perfect example of what's wrong with this country. People who are scared of their own shadows and too stupid or too lazy to do anything without someone holding their hand and double and triple checking up on them every step of the way to make sure they do it correctly and safely!

Just like the pot pie recall because people were too stupid to cook it in the microwave until done...even though there were clear directions on every package, and a lot of other situations just like this. Whatever happened to intelligence, independence and just plain old common sense?? Why are people so he**-bent on sticking their noses into everyone else's business when it has nothing to do with them?

I don't use raw milk currently, but if I had easy access to it I'd do so gladly. As long it's handled and used properly, it's no more dangerous than anything else. But this one case will give the hand-wringing panty twisters another excuse to cry and whine about something that has absolutely nothing to do with them anyway! They don't drink it, so why should they care if someone else does?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it wasn't even due to raw milk, but misdiagnosed because yes, they're just looking for a scapegoat and it's easier than finding out what actually did cause the problem...and I work in the medical field, I know exactly how often it happens (way less than publicized, believe me)!

Sorry, but I've already had a run-in this morning with this kind of person, and I'm in a really cranky mood, which is a very rare occurrence for me. I am just SO SICK of all the overprotective buttinskis trying to run all our lives! I'll get down off my now.

[Lyra]

Honestly, there are enough Amish in PA & OH that if you really want raw milk I would think there are enough places to get it besides a place known for bad milk.

[watcher]

Yous pays your money and yous takes your chances. This guy just rolled snake eyes.

If you want to drink raw milk go for it. But make sure you have enough insurance to pay if something like this goes wrong so I'm not forced to pay for your problems.

If I am forced to pay, which it looks like its heading that way, they I think I have a right to demand you not take such chances and demand the banning of raw milk sales and to make consumption of raw milk illegal.

[QuiltingLady2]

It's all well and good - raw milk that is - until you are the one paralyzed.

I will drink pasterized milk.

[navygirl]

"If I am forced to pay, which it looks like its heading that way, they I think I have a right to demand you not take such chances and demand the banning of raw milk sales and to make consumption of raw milk illegal."

Okay, if I am forced to pay for other folks' health care (and it looks like it's headed that way), then I think I have a right to demand they not take such chances and demand the banning of driving and to make driving illegal. And no sports either, 'cause they might get hurt. And I might have to demand that no one work at any dangerous jobs. That's it... I'm wrapping everyone up in cotton and taking away everything sharp or pointy!!!

[springvalley]

Originally Posted by watcher

Yous pays your money and yous takes your chances. This guy just rolled snake eyes.

If you want to drink raw milk go for it. But make sure you have enough insurance to pay if something like this goes wrong so I'm not forced to pay for your problems.

If I am forced to pay, which it looks like its heading that way, they I think I have a right to demand you not take such chances and demand the banning of raw milk sales and to make consumption of raw milk illegal.

So.... if I'm reading this right, you want drinking raw milk banned because one person got sick/paralized drinking it and you don't want to pay for someone else's care if they drink the milk? Well, then let's correlate this... others have gotten sick from eating spinach, so let's ban eating raw spinach. I've gotten food poisioning eating at fast food places, so let's close down all fast food places. A young man died kissing a girl that ate a peanut butter sandwich, so let's make peanut butter illegal! Oh heck, while we're at it, let's just make it illegal for anyone to grow or eat anything raw, like lettuce, tomatoes, onions, radishes, carrots, cellery, peas, green beans.... apples, oranges, peaches, pears, ..... etc. No more fresh foods! Nothing allowed but cooked and canned foods you can buy over priced in the stores that has all the nutrients cooked out of it! Get real! You're starting a snowball with one person getting sick! Just my two cents worth... while I'm in a bad mood. -Catherine

[dezingg]

The man's family is suing the dairy. It does seem that that specific dairy has had trouble before. I have no idea what volume that dairy does.

Again, the lawyer fares the best in this instance, which is sad. I'm not saying we shouldn't have lawyers.

They did state that the man's stools and the empty milk bottles tested positive for Campylobacter. I was trying to find a clue as to the most probable cause of the contamination but nothing was stated, which makes sense if there is a lawsuit pending.

I do remember when my late father, a truck driver, was hauling milk from local dairies that sanitation was a big deal. I wonder how often milk is contaminated by cleaning agents? Sorry, I'm getting a bit carried away.

I do agree with others that we should be more rational about analyzing risk. The media loves to sensationalize news, especially in circumstances where they feel that they won't get a backlash from the general public, who won't bother to analyze the issue.

[QuiltingLady2]

How can you ban raw milk. People will always drink raw milk. It's those that have horrible heath effects and they are very few who will then sue those that they bought the raw milk from. Simple as that. If you are in the market of selling raw milk then make sure no one gets sick...or have a great amount of $$$$$ saved to pay off their suit.

[haypoint]

This just can't be so.

I've been told raw milk sales is a way for the small farms to compete with the "big guys". This dairy has 130 cows. That's not what most folks see as "small".

How do you cultivate that farmer-consumer bond when you are serving 4-5,000 customers?
A dairy that is milking 60 cows will produce near 600 gallons of milk daily. If each customer buys a gallon every week, they need thousands of customers.

Everywhere raw milk is legalized, dairies of this size will squeeze out the small producer with a dozen or so cows. Every time.

Watcher is right about having good health insurance. However, insurance companies don't just dole out money. They bring suit against the causes of damage. That's right, Farmer Brown, that's you.

Springvalley, please note that my nemesis has posted twice, so far. He may be eating this up, too.

Is it a coincidence that during the several discussions of the raw milk topics, spanning a few months, there have been several cases of people getting sick or dying from the bacteria in raw milk?

[haypoint]

Quiltinglady, it isn't quite as simple as that.
There is always a knee-jerk reaction when tainted food hits the market.
If you sell your raw milk to someone that dies, the market contracts, costing the people that sell pasturized milk. Keeping the reputation of milk as a safe food is important to every dairy. Selling raw milk, especially the larger dairies, is playing Russian Roulette with the livelihood of every dairy farmer.