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Old 02/10/13, 07:31 PM
 
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Took my conceiled carry test today

It also allows me to carry out in the open if I want. Took around 3 1/2hrs. The talk was getting boring. We brought all the crazy scenerios

One good one was, IF 2 big guys were 15ft from the other. One had a conceield gun, The other was comeing towards him even tho the one with the gun was backing up. The one with the gun was worried that, should he be loseing that the other might see he has a gun and manage to take it away from him and shoot him with his own gun. What to do.

The officer said that, since they being equal in size, the court MIGHT take a dim view of him shooting the other. Depended on the jury. Id hate to think I didnt want to fight with someone my size and age, but if she insisted, its iffy if I pull the gun on her. lol

Also you cant point a gun at someone thretening you., You can have it out and pointed down, but cant point it. Id say heel with that and point it. Its my word against someone thretening me.

You cant fire a round into the ground between the feet of someone you want off your property. Even if you think he might do you harm.

When you kill someone. The first thing the cop wants to hear is how you were scared for your life. not (Look at that head shot. Pretty good under stress aint it).

You cant shoot someone in the back even tho they had pulled a gun on you and decided your Thompson was bigger. UNLESS, they are shooting back at you while running away. We discussed this a week ago, and I said, Id chase the guy IF I was somebody else, as I cant run anymore, and when I was 15ft away, Id holler something like. I cant miss you now sucker./ He would/should turn around to make a stand rather than think I might shoot him in the back, and I could plug him in the front.

I shot less than 15 rounds., Was supposed to shoot 50, but the instructor gave me her 22 to use, and it kept not recocking.

IF you shoot someone, and they either are or arent dead, DO NOT touch their gun. Kick it away from them.

He talked about being thretened by someone with a knife. He stepped back 20ft, and said he could get his knife out and throwed before we could draw our guns. I thought, yeah, right. He stressed NOT to let someone with a knife get any closer than 20ft.

OF COURSE, IF a wimmins shoots a guy, screaming rape, she can shoot him even if he hadnt touched her as yet, and the courts will say. Done, Next Case. Wimmins gets away with murder lol.

A conceiled weapon cant be any more than 16in long. Havnt measured my Navy yet. Just did. Its 14.

A couple guys asked me how to manipulate there fancy autos. I said I cant help ya. Thats why im stuck with C&B

HJe said, IF you shoot wrong, It could cost you $5000 and 6 mos to get out of it, IF YOU DID. IF NOT, You could be meeting the welcoming organizer at the state prison. Ben Dover.

He said, If your driving drunk and carrying, You could lose your permit AND gun.

He said, IF you used your gun to rob a bank, You could \lose your permit. IO said, I thought a felon could never have a gun again. He said, thats right. I sdaid, well, why should he care if he lost his conceiled permit? He said that I was right.

He said that, It made a difference if a man was alone in a house when it got busted in, OR if he had family/kids in there also.

He said, it made a difference as to how much damage someone did say, to the front door to get inside IF there was just a man there, as opposed to there being family in there also.
He said, IF someone started shooting through the door, You were oliged to do the same from your end.
He NEARLY said, IF a man was pounding on a womans door, that he wouldnt need to kick it apart. A good hard pound on his part, even if it did nothing to the door should result in a good hard booming from her inside.
BUTT, If someone tried to come into my door, It should be nearly torn off the hinges before I could shoot them.
He said that Okla law required a gun carried in a car to be taken apart in 3 pieces, and the ammo put in another place. He said that, tho, Likely NO cop would say a thing about the fact that it as all together and ready to shoot when it had to be used. Well, IF the person was done up right, Then theres no witnesses to say what condition the gun was in when it was used/

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Old 02/10/13, 07:38 PM
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They didn't tell you about the "I think I'm having a heart attack" if you shoot someone?

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Old 02/10/13, 08:28 PM
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That sounds about the same as when I got mine in OKC in 1998.

I wondered how many laws have changed. Here in Texas, you can carry a loaded weapon to and from your car, and have it in your car if

the handgun remains concealed

the person is not engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic

the person is not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm

the person is not a member of a criminal street gang

http://www.texasgunlaws.org/

http://safety-on.com/index.php/carry...-your-car.html

So, since I have been here in Texas (mostly) since 2004, never really considered getting another CCL, since my OK one expired in 2003.

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Old 02/10/13, 08:42 PM
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When I lived in Texas, decades ago, if you had a gun in your car, it couldn't be hidden, had to be out where police could see it...I carried mine on the dash. It also helped if you had a REASON to carry....I sometimes carried large sums of cash.

And it ALWAYS helps to have a good reason for what you're doing....or, as I told a policeman who pulled me over after running 15 stop signs at 3am...if you were a woman, would you stop in THIS side of town, at THIS time of the morning?

Mon...PS, I was shocked when I found their gun laws had changed!

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Old 02/10/13, 09:57 PM
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Your descriptions are a little differing than what I understand them to be here? Here, it's a last ditch effort at defense. You don't pull it, show it, or declare that you're armed. In other words, you avoid confrontation. You do however, have it as a means of defense if confronted with deadly force, or others are confronted with such. If you have to use it, you use it till the threat ceases!!!!!!!

Deadly force, or serious (injury)threat, doesn't have to be another firearm. And I'm sure in some some if not most situations, judicial process would have to determine threat, and justifiable reaction. In any defensive situation, distance is your friend!

CC or the responsibilities thereof, isn't anything to be taken lightly.

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Old 02/11/13, 07:30 AM
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Bill,

With concealed carry you seldom have to actually draw your weapon. In the 30 plus years I have carried, potential draw situations have presented themselves to me only about 6 or 7 times and in each of those situations while not drawing my weapon, my hand went without notice to within 2 inches of the grip but the situation diffused and my weapon remained concealed.

To date I have only drawn my weapon in a defensive situation two times backing the hammer on the draw and in one of the draws there was no gun play and after my opponent disarmed I decocked my weapon , holstered and concealed it. The one time I had to return fire, he fired once, I fired once and he fled because I couldn't lead the target as well for a kill shot with a pistol as I could have if I'd had a rifle plus when he fired at me I sidestepped to avoid a kill shot on me.

Conceal carry weapons don't really get a lot of actual use but are worth the accumulated cost of the privilege when you need them.

The gun versus knife at 15 or 20 feet actually is a fact depending on the skill of the knife thrower. I saw a demonstration by Reservation Police Officers during target practice in SD once and didn't believe it until I saw the clock times.

Congratulations on getting your carry permit. If you aren't already a member of the NRA check with your gun shop of choice and see if they offer discounts to members.

With the cost of ammunition and weapons now depending on how often you restock, the $35 a year membership can easily pay for itself and you have your choice of four different magazine subscriptions.

Sure they may try ringing your phone for extra donations for awhile but once they know your a pensioner on fixed income and membership dues is all they can expect, they quit calling and realistically the dues paid by the membership of nearly 5,000,000 has been adequate for the organizations lobbying efforts for decades and should continue to suffice.

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Old 02/11/13, 08:05 AM
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Do you feel safe from being sexually molested now, Bill?

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Old 02/11/13, 08:32 AM
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Bill,

With concealed carry you seldom have to actually draw your weapon. In the 30 plus years I have carried, potential draw situations have presented themselves to me only about 6 or 7 times and in each of those situations while not drawing my weapon, my hand went without notice to within 2 inches of the grip but the situation diffused and my weapon remained concealed.

To date I have only drawn my weapon in a defensive situation two times backing the hammer on the draw and in one of the draws there was no gun play and after my opponent disarmed I decocked my weapon , holstered and concealed it. The one time I had to return fire, he fired once, I fired once and he fled because I couldn't lead the target as well for a kill shot with a pistol as I could have if I'd had a rifle plus when he fired at me I sidestepped to avoid a kill shot on me.

Conceal carry weapons don't really get a lot of actual use but are worth the accumulated cost of the privilege when you need them.

The gun versus knife at 15 or 20 feet actually is a fact depending on the skill of the knife thrower. I saw a demonstration by Reservation Police Officers during target practice in SD once and didn't believe it until I saw the clock times.

Congratulations on getting your carry permit. If you aren't already a member of the NRA check with your gun shop of choice and see if they offer discounts to members.

With the cost of ammunition and weapons now depending on how often you restock, the $35 a year membership can easily pay for itself and you have your choice of four different magazine subscriptions.

Sure they may try ringing your phone for extra donations for awhile but once they know your a pensioner on fixed income and membership dues is all they can expect, they quit calling and realistically the dues paid by the membership of nearly 5,000,000 has been adequate for the organizations lobbying efforts for decades and should continue to suffice.
Shrek, what do you do to need a gun that much?

I have known piliceman in major cities who go an entire career, without needing to draw a weapon.
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Old 02/11/13, 08:46 AM
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Interesting stuff in that test.. .

I just wanted to throw this out there for people that don't know about it...

With some states you can apply for and get a non resident CCW...

Many states will accept other states CCW.... Under Virginia law you can take a simple 20 question test on some internet sites out there to satisfy the Virginia CCW proficiency and knowledge rules. The typical site charges $20 to $30 for the test...

They are True/False, multiple choice, and fill in the blanks questions. Here is a sample test from a site that offers the VA test. http://www.concealed-carry.net/sample-test.php

You can acquire a non resident CCW from the state of Virginia for $100.... Many people who live in Texas have a non resident Virginia CCW.... It's much easier to get the Virginia CCW than it is the Texas CCW, and Texas does accept the Virginia CCW along with other states.. I know WV also accept the Virginia CCW... Which is nice since in WV you do have to take an all day shooting test/course

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Old 02/11/13, 09:06 AM
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Shrek, what do you do to need a gun that much?

I have known piliceman in major cities who go an entire career, without needing to draw a weapon.
I have been partner in pawn shops and vehicle impound and repossession recovery services during the years since I turned 21. While excellent investment ventures some fail to understand that its their actions and police department impound policies dictate impound costs and many who have a vehicle repo'd blame the repo operation not their failure to make payments for the loss of their vehicle.

Sadly some of the country boys take the loss of their ride very personal.

I still laugh about the time a robber tried to rip off the gun and pawn shop I was partnered into as a side line with a derringer. The three of us manning the store that night were all armed and none of us drew our pistols because the guy working the register had a mossberg from under the counter on him .
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I've had to deal with a couple people with guns when repo'ing cars... What was so bad about it was I lived in Illinois where they didn't issue any CCW's... It's actually pretty amazing I never got shot... and it was also the reason I stopped doing repos... Now had I of been able to carry, I probably would have continued. People knew we couldn't legally carry a gun while they could on their own property.

Yeah, it was the repos out in the country that were the ones you sweated the most..

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As to your last statement Jay, There trying to get it here where IF your caught without ins that they can take your plate. Can you imagine a cop hunkered down with pliers/screw driver in hand with a hacked off owner standing over and above him. Not to mention, till people get used to it, drivers by wanting to take so good a look at the operation that they crash into the car s killing one or both.

As for going NRA. I havnt fired a shot out of a pistol in over 20yrs.. With C & B I doubt if I do much more for the next 20. I got it cause the more people in it, the cheaper it was to get. Some of my church members wanted to get theirs, and they wanted the numbers so I did it.

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Do you not live on property you can shoot on Farmboy? I've always spent way too much money on ammo any time I lived on property I could shoot on... It's only been when I lived somewhere that forced me to go to a range I didn't do much shooting... I'm not a fan of public ranges..

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When I came out of the army, I lost all aspirations for shooting. Shooting at a range bothers me, as it sounds like a fire fight, Which, I was never in, but, it dosent matter. I dont like shooting guns of any sort. I kill possums and coons with no problem.
I practiced quick draw, with Very little shooting, as I draw with the hammer cocked. I can do it, I have done it, so, its enough to know that, IF the situation should come up, I could do it again. I would cap the pistols and draw them capped. Didnt need to go to the trouble and mess of loading them.

Some people came home gun nuts, and survivers, Ruby Ridge types, ect. Some didnt.

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Ah.. Ok.. I get it...

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I don't go places where I think guns will be getting pulled out of pockets. I avoid barrooms, political rallies, drug deals, and churches..

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I don't go places where I think guns will be getting pulled out of pockets. I avoid barrooms, political rallies, drug deals, and churches..
Darn sound reasoning, right there!

I have done repos, worked in the worst neghborhoods, played at drinking way too much, but the only times i neaded a self defense weapon, was when i dated red heads.....
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I spent a lot of my years in bars.. never saw a gun pulled in one... have seen pool sticks and bottles used though...

I've been to many political rallies.. never a gun pulled at any, but I did see them open carried at the tea party ones... never a round fired or gun pointed at anyone.

I had a bad drug problem years ago.. again, never any guns at any of those being whipped out...

Church??? Huh?

Only place I've ever had guns pulled out were at stop lights and in traffic, and while repoing cars..

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Cop said that several big churches in Tulsa had had their decons and greeters armed along with the parking lot guards.
Guy in church said that a woman was preaching at a Baptist church when she heard shots in the anti room. She pulled her glock and went out to see. Killed a guy who had already shot 3 people.

Ive seen pool cues, and pool balls used in a bowling/pool hall. I was running with a gang in St Joe Mo in the late 50s. I was what they called a punk hood, unlike the older guys who were called just hoods, unless they messed up and acted like a kid or punk, then they got the name as a sort of dirision. We was in a pool hall one night and some from another gang came into the hall. There were 5 gangs in St Joe then. We were the Lords of the North Side. There was the Civic Center gang, and I dont remember the others. I hung around the Salvation Army Hedq weekdays as mom and dad worked, and didnt want us in the house. They had 2 pool tables there, and the guys inb the gangs would come and roust us little kids outa our money and play free pool. Well, I got to be a go fer for one guy I kinda liked, and in time, he kinda didnt mind me hanging around. Anyway, when the fight started, and people were throwing pool balls, that kinda bothered me. When one stuck in a concrete block, by me, that scared me, and I ducked under a table till it was all over. The leader got mad at me, and told the guy I liked, if I couldnt handle a rumble, not to bring me around him.

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