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Old 10/08/12, 09:14 PM
 
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Ive got a german shepard, a stray that took up residency here a few years ago. She is a sweet dog, she had a tumor on a teat this summer and I took her to the vet and had it removed. After that she got butterball fat and was active, but the past few weeks she has lost weight and became very lazy. She used to meet me at the driveway every time that I came home, now just lays around. I havnt changed feed on her. Something ate half a pan of it last nite, and she acted a little better today but I am still worried about her. I also have a small rat terrier who thinks he is the area stud that is missing, I stopped by where he usually goes visiting, but he was not there. Does anyone know what the symptoms are when a dogs been poisioned? I guess I should have posted this to the pet forum, but didnt....
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Old 10/08/12, 09:18 PM
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I take it that your dogs roam freely. Do your neighbors have small livestock? Would there be a reason someone might poison your dogs?
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Old 10/08/12, 09:24 PM
 
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No Judy, I dont have any near neighbors, town is about 1 1/2 miles away, next nearest neighbor is about 2 miles away, and they would tell me if the dogs were a problem. I really dont think that I have an enemy around here, but something isnt right. I am kinda wondering if the tumor might have spread inside her. The small dog has a history of traveling, thinks hes a stud!
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Old 10/08/12, 10:13 PM
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Dog Poisoning Causes Symptoms and Treatment
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I have seen poisoned dogs and they usually die a very violent death in a short amount of time. Convulsions and then they are out.

My dog was acting weird last year, just mopey...turned out she had Lyme Disease. She has since made a full recovery.
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Old 10/09/12, 04:01 AM
 
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Did she have breast cancer when you had the tumor removed? The vet would have biopsied it.
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I am not a vet nor do I have a lot of experience with sick dogs. What I do know from my Malinois is when she is not active or on top of things, she is not ok. I recently had a very sick dog appearently but I didn't know what was wrong. I thought it was Lyme as well but it turned out to be an abcess, which I couldn't see under her fur.
I hope you find out what it is soon! Good luck!
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Old 10/09/12, 05:54 AM
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Could be a host of things. Don't know your area so don't know what is most likely. But there are at least a couple of things animals can get from drinking standing water...as well as what has already been mentioned. You should call your vet and ask about the symptoms and see what he thinks is most likely. I'm sure there will be a visit involved.

My dog got lyme's and the one I can't spell or pronounce and one that can come from drinking standing water...I think he got into a rain barrel that I had not treated yet. His symptoms were on again off again...acting funny for two days...then fine for a week...etc. Anyway got him treated and started my own care plan and he still has the two tick borne diseases but, in his case, he just has flare ups a couple of times a year.
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Could be a host of things. Don't know your area so don't know what is most likely. But there are at least a couple of things animals can get from drinking standing water...as well as what has already been mentioned. You should call your vet and ask about the symptoms and see what he thinks is most likely. I'm sure there will be a visit involved.

My dog got lyme's and the one I can't spell or pronounce and one that can come from drinking standing water...I think he got into a rain barrel that I had not treated yet. His symptoms were on again off again...acting funny for two days...then fine for a week...etc. Anyway got him treated and started my own care plan and he still has the two tick borne diseases but, in his case, he just has flare ups a couple of times a year.
could you tell me the name you can't pronounce from drinking standing water? before all this started she did drink from a small source on our walks (was too late when I noticed). wht did you do with your own care plan? I would appreciate it very much!
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Old 10/09/12, 07:09 AM
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could you tell me the name you can't pronounce from drinking standing water? before all this started she did drink from a small source on our walks (was too late when I noticed). wht did you do with your own care plan? I would appreciate it very much!
Leptospirosis. I believe he contracted it because his immune system was compromised by the undiagnosed Lyme's, it IS something that can be vaccinated against BUT there are some strains that there are no vaccinations for. Where I am from, at a dog his age (age at the time) there was no "rule of thumb" for automatically giving him the vaccine I guess...or something like that, I don't remember how it all went, it was a while ago.

The vet gave me antibiotics...tetracycline, I believe, I can look that up.

Anyway at one point he was getting a toxic reaction to the antibiotics and that was when I sort of went on a bit of homeopathic/sympathetic stuff and intuition. Mostly I just really watched and tuned into his behavior...when he was starting to sink, but before he got diarehha and lethargic, I'd give him two antibiotics...I also had started giving him managed doses of valerian root, mostly to help keep him calm as the stress of him stressing out wasn't good and I would give him things that were natural stool stiffeners...which seemed to make that portion more managable for everyone, him included.

But I do believe what really helped him was me getting him to food that boosted his immune system, better grade of dogfood, fish oils, extra minerals.

Since the antibiotics stress the body so...I figured the healthiest way to help him fight it was to support what health and strength his body did have.

He still has lyme's and Leptospirosis, but he's only had two short bouts in the last year...as opposed to three weeks of sickness every three months.

I do lax off and do not treat him with anything, cept maybe some smelly salmon oil or tuna oil, unless he's showing that he needs the support. I'm a firm believer that having all sorts of extras all the time that aren't necessary can be just as compromising as having nothing....or more.

Not sure if that has helped you or not...I can see if I can find my notes on everything I did but I have the idea that it is an individual thing per dog per their breed and their own individual heath system. Much like I believe the same for humans.

And yes, I have standing scripts for antibiotics for him and also treat him with those when he is having a bout. But because they are so toxic, I discontinue them a week or so after his last symptom subsides...which is against vet's orders...BUT it makes him ill when he takes them too long.

Antibiotics are stressful to the liver and especially the Lipto..it damages the liver...so I don't put that through any more than it has to.

He's five now...and the last week he's been playing nearly nonstop with a 10 month old puppy and wears the PUPPY out...so I would say he's doing very well. I'm unpacking my things today and tomorrow....I will find the book I wrote all this in because I cannot remember everything from my research and frankly it's been a while since he's needed a full on regime. He had a short bout this summer and I just fortified his food and gave him some antibiotics and he pulled out in two days.

One thing I did was make a lot of fresh parsley "tea"...cooled and replaced his drinking water with it..that's some good stuff....and it helps that I am an herb grower because you have to make it fairly strong before you recieve benefits. Also roasted dandelion root tea as a water replacement...but that takes some planning as it needs or should be harvested in fall. I think I have a list of liver function support foods in that book.....mostly I got this from research in books and the internet then compared it against what would be alright for a dog....some things you should not give to a dog...there are big opinions about a lot of things...some things are fine in managed doses...but too much of anything is bad for sure.
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Old 10/09/12, 07:44 AM
 
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If that tumor was cancerous then she might have mets in the liver or somewhere that is making her feel so bad.
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Old 10/09/12, 09:39 AM
 
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thank you so much Whynot for taking time to respond! I hope to hear more if you have the time and I am sure glad your dog is doing so well
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Old 10/09/12, 09:48 AM
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There's also Guardia...believe that's the spelling, also from "wild" water.

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Old 10/09/12, 08:18 PM
 
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Well tonite when i got home she was coughing, called my country vet (gotta love those guys) to ask if cattle pen. was safe for dogs, he said yes give her 2 cc. I did get her to eat 2 cans of dog food today with antibiotics in them, hidden........I sure hope she gets ok, im having flashbacks to when I was 5 and my dog died, I cried for 2 days. I told a friend the other nite that I was turning into that old farmer that talked to his dogs. Thanks for all the suggestions.
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Old 10/09/12, 08:19 PM
 
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The little rat terrier showed up this morning, he was just out romancing I guess.
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Old 10/09/12, 08:35 PM
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What's wrong with talking to your dog? Heck, I talked to my dog and parakeet all the time till I gave the bird away. Now the dog's lonely and follows me around even more than before. Sometimes he even starts the conversation.
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Old 10/09/12, 09:59 PM
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Yeah I tried the hide the pills trick...sucker figured out how to keep them in his mouth until I wasn't looking. Now he's really good at it but it does require I basically put them far enough back in his mouth he has no choice but to swallow....and then he gets love....and then...I talk to him as usual.

Huh...coughing, losing weight, lost appetite...did the vet offer any advice? I'm wondering about worms.
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