Fixed dog breeding?

Miss Kay · #1 02/16/13, 11:43 AM

My husband has a bulldog that is in heat. We also have a large outside mute (part st. bernard, part cattle dog) and he's been fixed for years. Our yard is fenced in so we don't worry about them getting out or other dogs getting in so we've been letting the bulldog out to play. She absolutely would not leave our male dog alone and he hates her. I looked out this morning and they are all tied up, yep, he was breeding her. I don't know how long they had been like that but it was for real and went on for awhile while I was watching. So, what's up with that. I assume he has no sperm (hasn't for years) and without testicles, why would he even do this? Every heard of this?

Pops2 · #2 02/16/13, 12:35 PM

Common enough. I wouldn't fret over it. For them it's all the fun without the consequences.

farmerstac · #3 02/16/13, 01:49 PM

Was your dog cut or banded. If cut, you are safe. If he was banded and both testicles weren't caught you might get pups. Don't mean to send bad vibes just a heads up.

bluemoonluck · #4 02/16/13, 02:41 PM

Also depending on the type of fence you have, it may not be fool proof. I've seen pictures of dogs being bred thru chain link and many different types of wire fencing materials. And plenty of dogs will jump/climb over a fence to breed a bitch in heat too.....Just some things to keep in mind.

Otherwise, as long as the male was properly neutered you shouldn't have to worry about him siring any puppies.

Miss Kay · #5 02/16/13, 02:52 PM

We took him to the vet and had surgery so I'm sure he's shooting blanks. As for the fence, it is actually a concrete wall over 6 feet tall so we've never had any unwanted visitors. We live down here on the border so these "doper walls" as they call them are very common. The big dog is to discourage any illegals from climbing the wall and he does a great job. We've never had any trouble while our neighbors have. Thanks for all your help folks. I'll tell my husband to chill!

Kel T · #6 02/16/13, 05:17 PM

I've got a miniature Dachshund that is convinced that he is the original 8 pound Don Juan even though he's been without his huevos for nearly 10 years. And he has to try and woo the tallest females he can... and they let him!

mekasmom · #7 02/16/13, 05:48 PM

Neutering is only birth control, nothing more. I know Peta and HSUS try to brand it other things, but it is only birth control. It is not attitude adjustment, cancer prevention, (in fact it increases the risk for osteosarcoma), nor does it stop dominance or mating. It is simply birth control.

Tommyice · #8 02/16/13, 05:53 PM

I don't know about dogs, but my gelding frequently took his paddock mate, a mare named Willow, on "dates."

Miss Kay · #9 02/16/13, 06:46 PM

Amen for birth control!

SilverFlame819 · #10 02/17/13, 12:24 PM

Just because he doesn't have sperm doesn't mean she doesn't smell good to him...

gapeach · #11 02/17/13, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mekasmom

Neutering is only birth control, nothing more. I know Peta and HSUS try to brand it other things, but it is only birth control. It is not attitude adjustment, cancer prevention, (in fact it increases the risk for osteosarcoma), nor does it stop dominance or mating. It is simply birth control.

mekasmom, does that apply to spayed females too (the osteosarcoma)?

Oregon Julie · #12 02/21/13, 10:19 PM

At one time I would have said no worries, let them have their fun. However I have changed my tune on that one since a friend experienced a problem when her neutered Border Terrier bred her in season Jack Russell. They had a rather long tie and afterwards and apparently all night long, the male liked his penis. To the point that when my friend got up the following morning the dog had abraded the end up it so badly that he had to go to the vet. The vet ended up doing surgery to remove the first 30% of the bone that dogs have in their penis. He was fine, but he peed much lower then other dogs of his same height because man bits not having the support at the end to have them at the same height as they should have been. I realize this is not a likely outcome of recreational dog sex, but it made me change my mind about allowing it to happen.

Pops2 · #13 02/22/13, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gapeach

mekasmom, does that apply to spayed females too (the osteosarcoma)?

Yes, both the ovaries & testes release hormones that tell the pituitary to release hormones that stop bone growth. Without those hormones, the dogs have increased skeletal growth & increased risk of osteosarcoma.

Pops2 · #14 02/22/13, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Julie

At one time I would have said no worries, let them have their fun. However I have changed my tune on that one since a friend experienced a problem when her neutered Border Terrier bred her in season Jack Russell. They had a rather long tie and afterwards and apparently all night long, the male liked his penis. To the point that when my friend got up the following morning the dog had abraded the end up it so badly that he had to go to the vet. The vet ended up doing surgery to remove the first 30% of the bone that dogs have in their penis. He was fine, but he peed much lower then other dogs of his same height because man bits not having the support at the end to have them at the same height as they should have been. I realize this is not a likely outcome of recreational dog sex, but it made me change my mind about allowing it to happen.

No one said it was okay to just let them do it, just not to worry too much about it. Realistically, what your friend experienced was an anomaly and most people would realize from the bleeding raw penis that something wasn't right & a vet visit was in order.

Oregon Julie · #15 02/22/13, 03:02 AM

For the record my friend was not being a neglectful or stupid dog owner. The dogs bred late in the evening, tied for a long time. When they separated she crated them both and went to bed. The dog had done the damage to himself overnight.

I didn't see anyone saying "let them have at it" I was just stating that while I knew this was a rare occurrence it can happen. I have bred and shown dogs for 25 years now and I have never had any of my entire boys have this issue so I wasn't thinking for one moment that it was an every day happening.

CottageLife · #16 02/22/13, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Julie

For the record my friend was not being a neglectful or stupid dog owner. The dogs bred late in the evening, tied for a long time. When they separated she crated them both and went to bed. The dog had done the damage to himself overnight.

I have to wonder if your friend's dog didn't have an issue with his skin coming back down over his p$nis (sorry, at work so that word may flag me. haha!). With it 'stuck' out it would be dry, irritated and swell. That may have been why the excessive licking. It may have been stuck out due to the 'activities' with the other dog, but just some weird random before lunch thoughts

Otter · #17 02/22/13, 09:30 AM

It does happen to entire boys too, actually a lot more often then those who are fixed, although it's a rare occurrence either way.

Most fixed males that I've known will still have sex. Not just dogs, but toms neutered after maturity, most steers and gelding horses. My wether goat is why I never, ever notice signs of heat in my goats unless I lock them up. Otherwise, he just takes care of things. None of them have any idea whether they're shooting blanks or live rounds.

It DOES make a difference in temperament. It mellows them around other animals and people, in most cases. There are exceptions. I have found it rare to have a difference in activity level, and common to have a difference in focus. My neutered animals are more inclined to pay attention to me, and the task at hand. My intact ones do so until/unless there is a hint of a female or rival male, then I need to re-focus them on me. Depending on the situation and individual animal, this can take anything from a slight signal from me, to they have lost their tiny minds and need a total refresher course that it is the dominant one (ME) that allows subordinates to breed/challenge/defend.

While my neutered dogs, goats and toms (barrow pigs, geldings, you name it) will most certainly take advantage of there being a receptive female around, they don't go seek it out, unlike the VAST lengths my intact ones will go to.
Neutering does not stop dominance behavior, but it does stop fighting over females and increases tolerance to other males. And here, I'm talking about dogs meeting in these situations, not "well my 2 dogs are both fixed and they still fight" More like, when the neighbor's free-roaming bitch comes under my fence, my intact males start fighting with each other and the males she's brought with her to see who gets to breed, my fixed ones are only upset because strangers (her included) have invaded their territory.

Oregon Julie · #18 02/22/13, 06:00 PM

It may have been that his penis didn't retract and he was OCD enough to lick it into the mess he made it into. I have had dogs that had that problem and they never seemed to give it more than a lick or two, but who knows with this boy. He certainly caused his problem in a big way and fast.

Oregon Julie · #19 02/22/13, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CottageLife

I have to wonder if your friend's dog didn't have an issue with his skin coming back down over his p$nis (sorry, at work so that word may flag me. haha!).

Just an aside, interesting that had you used a slang term for that part it wouldn't draw attention at all. Use the word as it was intended and look what trouble that might cause. :-)

CottageLife · #20 02/22/13, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Julie

Just an aside, interesting that had you used a slang term for that part it wouldn't draw attention at all. Use the word as it was intended and look what trouble that might cause. :-)

I know, right? LOL Have to love big brother watching!