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Old 11/01/05, 12:56 PM
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Deworming your dog

This is such a popular topic, that I'm going to make it a sticky.

I have listed common dewormers by generic drug name, brand name (if applicable), type of parasite treated, and common dosage. For more information on specific intestinal parasites, please visit: http://homesteadingtoday.com/showthr...inal+parasites

Fenbendazole (Panacur): treats roundworms, hookworms, whipworms, tapeworms (Taenia species only), and giardia. Typical dosage is 50mg/kg (22.7mg/pound) for 3 consecutive days.

Ivermectin (Ivomec, Heartgard): treats roundworms, hookworms, whipworms, and prevents heartworms. Typical dosage for intestinal parasites is 0.2mg/kg (0.09mg/pound=~1/10cc per 10 pounds). Heartworm prevention is .006mg/kg (.003mg/pound). A 1% solution of Ivermectin is equal to 10mg/ml). Heartgard is prescription only. USE LIQUID IVERMECTIN IN WITH GREAT CAUTION IN COLLIES AND RELATED BREEDS!

Metronidazole (Flagyl): treats Giardia. Typical dosage is 50mg/kg (22.7mg/pound) for 5-7 days. Can use one daily or split into two equal treatments per day. Prescription only.

Milbemycin oxime (Interceptor/Sentinel): controls roundworms, hookworms, whipworms, and prevents heartworms. Typical dosage is 0.5-0.99mg/kg. Prescription only.

Piperazine (many OTC products): treats roundworms. Typical dosage is 110mg/kg (50mg/pound).

Praziquantel (Droncit): treats tapeworms. Typical dosage is 5-10mg/kg (2.27-4.55mg/pound).

Pyrantel pamoate (Strongid, Nemex): treats roundworms and hookworms. Typical dosage for dogs weighing more than 5 pounds is 5mg/kg (2.27mg/pound) and 10mg/kg (4.55mg/pound) for dogs weighing less than 5 pounds.

Sulfadimethoxine (Albon): treats coccidia. Typical dosage is 55mg/kg (25mg/pound) on day 1, then 27.5mg/kg (12.5mg/pound) once daily for 9 additional days.

Edited to add:
I'm going to add Frontline to this list, since you can split the extra-large dog size up into the other sizes for a much better price.

Frontline-for dogs and cats 8 weeks and older. Give once monthly.
Cats (all sizes): 0.5cc
Dogs 0-22#: 0.67cc
Dogs 23-44#: 1.34cc
Dogs 45-88#: 2.68cc
Dogs >89#: 4.02cc

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Where do you get the meds for tapes? The vet said you can only order it thru the internet.

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Old 11/02/05, 06:02 PM
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Where do you get the meds for tapes? The vet said you can only order it thru the internet.

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Praziquantel is now OTC, you can get it through any of the vet catalogs.
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Where do you get the meds for tapes? The vet said you can only order it thru the internet.

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That's odd, my vet had the pills right at the office.
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Old 11/21/05, 07:57 AM
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That's odd, my vet had the pills right at the office.
Yes-until recently they were prescription only, so you had to have a valid client-patient relationship (ie the vet had to SEE your pet) for you to be able to get the pills.
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How about dosing over the counter paste {horse} ivermectin .

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How about dosing over the counter paste {horse} ivermectin .
It should say on the packaging the concentration (ie how many milligrams per tube or what ever), then you can figure from there. Sorry I can't help much more but I don't have any ivermectin paste handy.
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As for me not to goof. I have safe guard here which is

suspension 10% {100mg/ml}

Also have ivermectin which is which is 1.87%

Pyrantel paste{pyrantel pamoate} which is 3.60 grams pyrantel base in 18.8 grams of paste.

What would be the dosing for every ten pounds of dog?


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Ivomec liquid is the simplest and easiest to use not mention cheaper than heart guard. 50ml bottle for cattle and swine (1% solution) has lasted over a year now and I'm not even half way through it. Giving it orally at a 1/10cc per 10lbs body weight once a month. I use a diabetic syringe as it holds one cc and is graduated down to 100ths and is easier to use than a standard 3cc syringe. I insert the needle to draw out the need amount and withdraw the syringe leaving the needle in the bottle (I have multiple dogs to treat) then draw up pancake syrup to get the whole cc to cut the taste. Some dogs object to the taste of ivomec so it helps to cut it with something sweet. The cost is better than heartguard too. This bottle cost me $37.95 and like I said still has another years worth of treatments and I treat six dogs monthly. Warning do not start a heartworm preventative without first verifying that the dog is heartworm negative. If it has heartworms the ivomec will kill them causing them to break loose and kill the dog.
Tapeworms are not a common problem and since the common flea is part of the life cycle of the most common tapes treating for fleas will go a long way to preventing tapes.
Ivomec can also be used in the treament of demodectic (red) mange as well with a daily treatment protocol. The exact rates escape me at the moment and like all things demodectic it needs to be caught in time or the cure will not be effective.

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As for me not to goof. I have safe guard here which is

suspension 10% {100mg/ml}

Also have ivermectin which is which is 1.87%

Pyrantel paste{pyrantel pamoate} which is 3.60 grams pyrantel base in 18.8 grams of paste.

What would be the dosing for every ten pounds of dog?


Thanks, Patty
Safeguard=Fenbendazole=227mg/10#=2.27ml/10# (yes dogs get 10X the dose per pound compared to horses)

Ivermectin-Basically a dog and a horse get the same dosage per pound for intestinal parasite removal (heartworm prevention=much less needed). It's going to be awfully hard to dose. There's approximately 6cc of paste in each tube and each cc=~20000mcg (20mg), so each cc would do ~200# of dog. The liquid would be MUCH easier for you!!!!

Pyrantel-each tube contains 3600mg and 22.7mg/10# of dog is needed=so each tube would do ~1600# of dog. There is supposed to be 20ml in each tube so 1 ml would do an 80# dog.

I hope this helps (it's not nice to make me do math on my day off!!!! )
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I HHHHHHHHHHATE pest controle! If I did not love their hosts I would refuse to deal with them!
I was looking for some place to buy meds for cheep. We have all heard the adds claiming that on line is cheeper. I have finally found the place that IS. Thought I would share. www.pets-megastore.com or call them at 1-866-270-2303. Orders over $100 ship free. They have the popular brands and some better alternatives.
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I just wanted to say thanks for keeping this
"sticky" I refer to it often.

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Old 01/26/06, 12:57 PM
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You're very welcome!

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do not want to sound stupid, but i herd if you feed your dog a penny it would get rid of worms.any truth to that story.

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Old 03/25/06, 11:34 AM
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No! Please don't feed your dog pennies. Pennies minted after 1982 have a zinc core and have been known to cause zinc toxicosis.

This is from the ASPCA:

It is common for pets, especially dogs, to ingest coins. Among the circulating U.S. coins, only pennies pose a toxicity hazard. Pennies minted after 1982 contain a zinc core surrounded by copper plating. Each penny contains about 2,440 mg of elemental zinc. Subacute or chronic zinc toxicosis can affect the renal, hepatic, gastrointestinal, and hematopoietic tissues. Zinc toxicosis can cause hemolytic anemia, which can lead to hemoglobinemia and hemogloburinia. Because of these severe effects, consider all penny ingestions potentially dangerous, and treat each case aggressively.

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Sorry, I just want to be clear on the frontline...it's still a topical treatement and by you using the word "give" you didn't mean that it is given orally, right?? Also, can you buy frontline in a bottle somewhere or were you just giving the dosages out if you used a large prepackaged size and did 3 small dogs. I'm confused since the frontline that I buy is already packaged per dose. I'd love to get a bottle and dose it out to the cats and dogs.

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Give does equal put on skin like normal. Sorry but you can't use the stuff in the big bottle like this-that is meant to be sprayed on (something like 1 squirt per pound). You CAN buy the giant dog sized doses and split those up (yes it is packaged per dose, but a big dog dose is several times what the small dog dose is).

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Worming

I'm new here so thought I'd just weigh in.

My vet (before I moved) told me I could worm both my cats and dogs with Ivermectin horse wormer (already use it for the goats). He told me 1/10 cc per 10 pounds body weight. I know that has already been stated but I also want to emphasize to ALWAYS measure with a syringe. I have a cat that was rescued from a feral momma, along with his sibling. They were very young and very wormy (diarrhea). The sibling died and, because of his situation, we name the survivor "Little Itty Bitty S....y Kitty." I was dosing all my dogs and cats with the Ivermectin with no problem but decided to give him an additional dose. Didn't have the syringe handy and just put what I thought looked like the right amount onto my finger and into his mouth. Shortly after that, I noticed him staggering around the yard like he'd been into the moonshine! His eyes were dilated, too. Anyway, he survived (after sleeping it off for a couple of days) but it scared me and now am very careful about measuring. (By the way, I took what I estimated the amount that I gave him and put it in a syringe, out of curiosity, and it was about 5 times the recommended dosage.)

Question:

There is now a product, I believe it's called Ivermectin Gold, which has praziquantel in it, in addition to the ivermectin. This would also treat the tape worms. Is it safe, and, if so, what dosage, for cats and dogs?

Also, working in a feed store I did a little comparison shopping regarding Advantage. If you buy the largest dog size (to break down into individual doses) you get EIGHT times as much as you would if you bought the smallest cat size....but you spend only $3.00-$4.00 more! My bosses told me not to tell customers because it cut down on their profits!

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For tape worms I use Valbazen . Its a oral suspension used in cattle and sheep . It's ALBENDAZOLE . I give Valbazen to all my dogs for the tape worm . It looks like milk. I cover it with a slice of bread and syrup or just anything just about will do . The dose is by weight also . You read on the bottle for the proper dose . I have also shot it down they're throat quick with a syringe. Anyway it works . You can find this at a CO-OP store along with Ivermec. Jeffers supply is the best place I have found for all pet medications They're # is 1-800 -533-3377 You can even order on line. www. jefferspet.com . But I think you might have to get the main catalog to fine other wormers you want . They have it all . I hope this will help a lot of you.

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I've given Valbazen to my goats. At that time, I got it through my vet and wasn't aware it is also over the counter. Always the cheaper way to go!
(I sure got spoiled working in a feedstore because I got all my feed and supplies at cost plus 5% for shipping! No more.)

Is it safe for cats and is the dosage for them also on the label?

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Albendazole is not labeled/tested for tapeworms in dogs and cats so I can't tell you if there is a safe dose.

I just did a quick look at Zimectrin Gold and it looks like to get the proper amount of Praziquantel you would have to overdose the ivermectin by 5 times the recommended dose for intestinal parasites.

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Thanks for the info on Zimectrin Gold. I had asked my vet (made a copy of the box) and he kept forgetting to check into it. And then I moved. After my experience with overdosing my one kitty with ivermectin, I'm not taking any chances. I appreciate the economics of doing things such as worming in unconventional ways, but I love my critters too much to take unnecessary chances.

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I have a question about Heartguard. With the exception of tapeworms, if my dog is on a monthly Heartguard regime do I not have to use other wormers? Is the Heartguard the only med needed?

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I have a question about Heartguard. With the exception of tapeworms, if my dog is on a monthly Heartguard regime do I not have to use other wormers? Is the Heartguard the only med needed?
It depends on which Heartgard product you are using. Plain Heartgard (tablet or chewable) only does heartworms, Heartgard Plus (chewable) also treats and controls hookworms and roundworms. Heartgard Plus also guarentees against whipworm infection even though it's not on the label (because thier competitor Interceptor is labeled for whipworm control). Heartgard Plus is guaranteed against these intestinal parasites-Merial will pay for treatment if your dog were to become infected and you have proof that you purchased Heargard Plus FROM YOUR VETERINARIAN and gave it correctly. Of course the only way you will know if your dog has worms is to have periodic fecal examinations done at your vet's office, so it is highly recommended that you have your dog's stool checked once or twice yearly at a minimum.
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Not to beat a dead horse with these questions but I am concerned about some dewormer that I just bought. I think you (Goldenmom) said on this thread that horses get about the same amount of dewormer as dog do per pound when using Ivermictin. I just bought a tube of Ivermictin horse dewormer and it says on the back "This product should not be used in other animal species as severe adverse reactions, including fatalites in dogs may result." Since I bought this to use on my entire kennel (my lifes work) I figured I better double check that this was safe to use on my dogs.
The brand name is IverCare It says it is: ivermectin Paste 1.87% (and then underneath it says) Anthelmintic and Boticide contents will treat up to 1500 lbs body weight.
Could I just get a little more information about this so that I know for sure it is safe before I give it to my beloved dogs?
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Jason -

My best advice would be ask your veterinarian, as he/she is the one who is responsible for their care. I will tell you that nearly all ivermectin products (except Heartgard, of course) are off label for dogs. And they are used VERY frequently in dogs with very few side effects. All medications carry some risk for some dogs-there is no such thing as a completely safe medication. Please take these concerns to your own veterinarian-it's much more valuable than any advice you can get on the internet, even from a veterinarian.

Ivermectin-Basically a dog and a horse get the same dosage per pound for intestinal parasite removal (heartworm prevention=much less needed). It's going to be awfully hard to dose. There's approximately 6cc of paste in each tube and each cc=~20000mcg (20mg), so each cc would do ~200# of dog. The liquid would be MUCH easier for you!!!!

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Ivermectin (Ivomec, Heartgard): treats roundworms, hookworms, whipworms, and prevents heartworms. Typical dosage for intestinal parasites is 0.2mg/kg (0.09mg/pound=~1/10cc per 10 pounds). Heartworm prevention is .006mg/kg (.003mg/pound). A 1% solution of Ivermectin is equal to 10mg/ml). Heartgard is prescription only. USE LIQUID IVERMECTIN IN WITH GREAT CAUTION IN COLLIES AND RELATED BREEDS!
I am not trying to beat a dead horse here but I just got into a new breed of dogs and I am not sure which breeds fall into the "collie" family. Any helpful advice on which breeds are related? I know Goldenmom just went on vacation, but maybe someone else will know?
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Good question- herding breeds for the most part. Australian Shepherds, Shelties, Border Collies, and Old English Sheepdogs are known to have gene mutation (MDR1) in many lines which makes ivermectin a problem. The crosses of these can also have it. If it is a herding breed, be careful. My collies from my lines have always gotten heartgard with no issues, but when I bring in a collie from a new line, I do not give them the heartgard until they are tested.

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If I can't afford any meds, are there any natural ways to kill worms? I've heard that feeding a dog some tobacco will kill them? Any ideas?

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Tabacco may kill the worms but could also kill the dog- nicotine is a poison. Wormer is not that expensive- you can get a tube of panacur for horses very reasonable (about $5 online- look for a place that offers free shipping) and comes in apple cinnamon flavor- 1 tube worms 110 lbs of dog- use the marks on the plunger to dose dogs that weigh less. Repeat for 3 days in a row. So even if you have a 110 lb dog- that's only $15 for 3 days worth and it kills rounds, whips and tapes.
Heartwormer- also can be had inexpensively- check the threads- I just posted a link for HW preventative- a generic for heartgard ( if you have a herding breed or herding breed cross, may not want to give this unless the dog has either been getting it monthly with no bad results or has been tested)- it is $24.50 for 12 tablets for med dogs- that's about $2 a month. Also they do not charge shipping for HW preventatives. If a herding breed that has not been tested then Proheart is the generic of Interceptor. Or you can find the heartgard plus generic (like triheart) that has pyrantel in it- takes care of all worms with a monthly dose. You can get triheart at Dr Fosters and other places on the web- but most will require a prescription from your vet- which he will not give you without a negative HW test. The reason is that many heartworm preventatives can kill- if the dog is already infected with heartworm.

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