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Old 11/21/12, 02:54 PM
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Dog killed for chasing sheep

This is an article about a lab who got in with a farmer's sheep and was shot dead. Interesting how many people are defending the dog and making threats to the farmer. Sad all the way around and I sure feel for the farmer in this. Notice the dog owner is wanting to go back after the farmer believing he is in the wrong. This could be a good lesson for those of us on how to deal with stray dogs attacking sheep and what the consequenses could be.

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Old 11/21/12, 03:43 PM
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People shouldn't let their dogs run, period. Not only should dogs like this be shot, the owners should pay for any damaged or killed livestock.
Livestock isn't cheap.
Have been on the receiving end of dogs enough in my past, I have no sympathy, toward the dogs owner.

Rather see a dog like this shot, than end up killing someone's kid or other people's livestock.

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theres no leash law up there in maine? id say maybe the dept of agriculture may have money to pay the farmer also for sheep killed by dogs. sheep are like deer chased in the winter , stress is the ultimate killer even if the dog doesnt catch them. im all for the farmer .

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Old 11/21/12, 05:28 PM
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If you check out the Lab owner's facebook page it looks like he is bound to press charges. It mentions the dog wasn't attacking the sheep, but playing. We all know how dangerous that is. The law in that area apparently mentions the dog needs to be attacking the sheep to warrant being shot by the owner.

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So, the farmer is supposed to ascertain if the dog is merely "playing" with the sheep or picking out a muttons chop?

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I don't understand people. They will get a Lab, born and bred to be hunting, and expect it to stay in the yard. Had a lot of trouble with neighbor's two labs (mixes?) killing my chickens and trying to kill my ducks. Dogs ended up a mile away in a tiny village, killing rabbits that were in an off the ground hutch. Owner's father shot and killed one dog. He felt bad about it, but there were seven of his kid's bunny's dead and bloody on the ground. Now, he's got another big black Lab that runs loose.

Naturally, I'm with the farmer. Running down the road or in the woods is much different that intentionally going over or through the fencing to "play" with the sheep.

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Old 11/21/12, 06:06 PM
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I had a mare run through a fence and cut up because of someone's pet that should have been home. I would shoot a dog in my pasture a fast as I could, and I like dogs more than I do some people.
The facebook page with the pic of the dead dog should be taken down. I feel sorry for the farmer. I hope he's not reading all the ignorant comments on FB.

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Old 11/21/12, 06:08 PM
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I don't supposed running off weight or causing abortions from stress or exhaustion matter? If the farmer has good records he can sue for damages should the sheep fail to perform. No records no proof unfortunately. I wouldn't shoot a dog for a first non violent offence nor a second and there's never a third. There are a lot of coyotes here that do make (especially free running) pets disappear. Devilish critters

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I love dogs, would hate to have to kill one, but in the farmer's position, shoot i must.

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Old 11/21/12, 06:24 PM
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City folks don't get it and feel bad for the dog.

I wouldn't have thought twice if I would have been the sheep herder... The dog's owner should be saying he's sorry to the farmer for putting him in the position to have to shoot the dog..

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I wonder how many of those "dog lovers" would feel if the guy was routinely "letting his dog out to play" in town and the dog was hit by a car. The farmer is even less at fault than the driver in the hypothetical situation.

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I never should have looked at the fb page.
Some of the comments over there are mind-numblingly stupid.

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Old 11/21/12, 07:18 PM
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I wonder if the sheep knew the dog just wanted to play. Or did they not want to take any chances?

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Old 11/21/12, 07:34 PM
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While I shake my head at all the people posting in support of the dog owner on the Justice for Bentley FB page, fortunately more rational and fair people are posting to the news station's FB page. I feel sorry for the farmer and the dog. Not so much the owner, in fact, only an idiot would let his dog roam within a half mile of a sheep pasture. That was an "accident" waiting to happen.

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Old 11/21/12, 08:05 PM
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The dog owner was negligent plain and simple. He didn't take care of his dog. Letting it run could have gotten it hit by a car. The man should be banned from owning a dog.

It sounds like the ex-dog owner is one of the generations that have bought into the victim hood mystique. Nothing is his responsibility. I'd like to see him charged with animal cruelty since his actions endangered his pet. That's the kind of individual that needs taken out back and massaged with a baseball bat until some common sense sinks in.

He's go my vote as a waste of oxygen. him!!

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Right now in the Portland Oregon area there's a news story about 2 labs that "didn't come home" (running loose), and the owners found them dead, clubbed, in the woods behind their home. Of course the news is all over it from an animal cruelty issue - but the first thing I wondered was "I wonder who's livestock those dogs have been chasing"

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I like the way you think Darren... We're on the exact same page... It was totally wrong of the dog owner to put the farmer in that position to make that choice... The dog owner needs to go apologize to the sheep owner, and buy him a dinner at the finest place in town..

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You love your dogs? Keep them home or at least leashed, ARRG!!
One of my Anatolians jumped fence to attack an unleashed golden who wouldnt hurt a fly if his life depended on it.
I always liked this dog & like his owner. Fact of the matter is, dog was the intruder.
People dont have any idea that sweet Fido is capable of doing much carnage.

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Old 11/21/12, 09:24 PM
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If that dog had come here, I would hope I wouldn't have to shoot it. I would hope that our livestock guard dogs would have deterred it from entering the property. Of course if the dog was silly enough to enter, then I'd probably help out our guardians rectify the situation. I'm not going to let any dog 'play' with our livestock, not even our own.

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As sadly as I'd hate to say it, if I raised my dog wrong and I caught it taking out my livestock, I'd make a choice I wouldn't be happy with... and blame it on myself....

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Agreed. I have four dogs. Two are farm dogs, two are pets. The two pets are also in the "predator" category (Malamutes). They are fenced with cattle panels fromwhichthey have never escaped. However, the older one managed to escape one day from the *house* when the door wasn't shut all the way. We chased him to the pasture where he s harassing our own sheep and cattle. Dh was getting the gun when the bull came over to distract the dog long enough for me to grab him. But we were ready to shoot our own pet for the protection of our livestock. Some decisions aren't easy, but need to be made in a hurry to minimize damage.

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Oh, the farm dogs had herded the littles to the other end of the pasture (while the adult males were standing their ground) and hadn't gotten back to the arena before we had it under control.

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Farmer got the "S" right but screwed up the "SS".

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Old 11/22/12, 07:53 AM
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Some decisions aren't easy, but need to be made in a hurry to minimize damage.
OK so knowing what you know now has the farmer minimized damage or made it worse? It would have been prudent to fire a warning shot, and to get in there and chase off the dog, then talk to the owner or call the sheriff. Years ago a neighbour of mine let his ACD get in his neighbours dairy cows. The dog got shot. The ensuing mess of legal back and to (and yeah they're both farmers ) drove a permanent wedge between them and cost thousands for both sides, with no real result. No the dog should not have been there, but he was a working dog, and just slipped out of sight. The dairy farmer neighbour, could have called or just walked over to the the fence and shouted. Even though I feel he should protect his stock there are other ways to do that. There is a lot of acting without thinking going on in the world so do take a second or two to consider how to minimize the damage before you do un-reversible things. The times they are a changin!
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Old 11/22/12, 08:34 AM
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If we all had a working crystal ball, we could all make the right decisions. In the heat of the moment when our livestock is at risk, that doesn't happen. We have to end the threat and minimize the damage.

I had a dog get loose and harass a neighbor's chickens. He didn't kill any but the neighbor encouraged his departure with a shotgun. The dog laid around for about a week before he recovered. I told the neighbor it was my fault the dog got loose. If that happened again, use a rifle. The dog never got out again.

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It would have been prudent to fire a warning shot, and to get in there and chase off the dog, then talk to the owner or call the sheriff.
What is a warning shot? Where do you aim a warning shot when a dog is amongst your flock? Why do you assume this would work, seen it in the movies? What type of gun and skills did the farmer have that would make a second shot possible or practical if the warning didn't work?

Why do you believe the farmer could "get in there and chase off the dog"? What do you suppose all that chasing off of a dog does for the sheep? I don't have lots of experience with sheep, but I'm pretty sure you're not suppose to run at them, yelling and waving your arms. Why do you assume the dog would run in a direction opposite of the sheep when you are chasing the dog?

Nope. Given the circumstances, what little we know, the farmer did what needed to be done.
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What is a warning shot? Where do you aim a warning shot when a dog is amongst your flock? Why do you assume this would work, seen it in the movies? What type of gun and skills did the farmer have that would make a second shot possible or practical if the warning didn't work?

Why do you believe the farmer could "get in there and chase off the dog"? What do you suppose all that chasing off of a dog does for the sheep? I don't have lots of experience with sheep, but I'm pretty sure you're not suppose to run at them, yelling and waving your arms. Why do you assume the dog would run in a direction opposite of the sheep when you are chasing the dog?

Nope. Given the circumstances, what little we know, the farmer did what needed to be done.
LOL!! There are always options!! Considering my decent knowlege of sheep I know the farmer could have both fired a warning shot AND had a decent second shot if needed and should be able to try other things before comitting to a course of action that will likely cost him thousands of dollars! I've shot at coyotes amongst my sheep, both numbering in the hundreds of sheep and much smaller numbers, they bunch together very nicely. I hope the famer gets off easier than i think he will, and you can deal with the reality any way you like, but be prepared to have your beleifs shot down and pay for it.
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LOL!! There are always options!! Considering my decent knowlege of sheep I know the farmer could have both fired a warning shot AND had a decent second shot if needed and should be able to try other things before comitting to a course of action that will likely cost him thousands of dollars! I've shot at coyotes amongst my sheep, both numbering in the hundreds of sheep and much smaller numbers, they bunch together very nicely. I hope the famer gets off easier than i think he will, and you can deal with the reality any way you like, but be prepared to have your beleifs shot down and pay for it.
You know the farmer had the skills to take a second shot? So you know this farmer and what kind of gun, how much he practices, how the dog would act at the sound of a shot. You assume much.
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He hit the dog, and I know what that means.

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