I am posting for Canadian Mandy. We are on our new land and she finally reunited with her sheep Precious and her lil one. The lil ewe is about 14 weeks old, but we noticed her face looks oddly shaped. Under her chin it feels swollen, like as though there is fluid under it? She lets us touch it..there is nothing hard, we felt inside her mouth and under her tongue and discovered she has sharp teeth and doesn't much like fingers in her mouth! Like cheeks get swollen with mumps..under her chin is swollen. Mandy asked me to come post here as she doesn't have a connection yet. Special hugs from Mandy to EieioMom (sp?)
Bottle Jaw or fluid accumulated under the jaw, is most likely caused by anemia(deficiency in red blood cells), probably due to worms. Have they been dewormed ? The lamb needs to be dewormed right away !
We use Ivomec (Ivermectin), or Tramisol (Levamisole), there are other good dewormers if there are problems with Liver Flukes or Tapeworms.
I would also give the lamb an injection of vitamin B right away.
It would also be a good idea to deworm Precious too.
If you can pen them off of the pasture a few days after you deworm them then you won't contaminate the new pasture.
Hopefully, you guys will have better luck finding a vet near your new place to help when you need one
Thanks for your replies! I phoned Mandy at the land she says the swelling seems to have dropped some, and that the "lump" is more on her throat then under her chin now. I am heading to pic up the dewormer and vitamin. I called the folks who had her they say both Precious and her baby were wormed two weeks ago? I asked what they use, and they said "we send a variety of meds up there, not sure what they got" So ...."if" she did get this (the baby) will being wormed again with this liver fluke/tapeworm meds hurt her???
I need to take down my computer for the last trip to complete our move to the land..if you don't hear from us, we are waiting to have our internet reconnected.
I forgot to mention...the folks who had precious said that the lamb would have runny stool if she had worms??
Mandy checked and the baby is a white barbados/katadin (sp)
Precious gums are black and pink the baby's are white. Yesterday we were blessed with a free babados male he is 1/1/2. I didn't ask the man when he was wormed, I'll phone him today. He is almost all white, with two small brown spots, his gums are white too. Do some sheep just have white gums? or does he have worms too??? Sorry for a the questions..this is new for us and we want to do it right. Mandy was giving the sheep these pellets from the feed lot and wants to know that is okay to do. They are a mix of grain/corn and other things...no copper in them at all. The feed lot said they were good for all animals. Thats my questions for now..hoping someone answers before I pack the computer this hour.
PS Mandy said most the swelling is gone now..that there is still a lil softness over her jaw bone, but that the bulk of swelling is gone. Could she have got bit by something? Oy what a way to start being a shepherdess!
I forgot to mention...the folks who had precious said that the lamb would have runny stool if she had worms??)
Originally Posted by Tamar
Mandy was giving the sheep these pellets from the feed lot and wants to know that is okay to do. They are a mix of grain/corn and other things}
I would wonder about the "other things if it is good for ALL animals, I would not take the chance on added copper !
PS Mandy said most the swelling is gone now..that there is still a lil softness over her jaw bone, but that the bulk of swelling is gone. Could she have got bit by something?
I would still deworm all three sheep and keep them off the pasture a couple days.
You can be additionally safe and weigh the baby (even hold on a bathroom scale so you don't over dose her).
I am not familiar with possible bites, sure sounds like it could be possible, but based on the past experience with Precious and their flock, it would not hurt to deworm them and know it was done properly...
Sounds like the culprit may be stomach worms, which is covered with Ivomec.
I don't think Ivomec controls Liver Flukes or Tapes. You would a different type of dewormer for that.
Ivomec Plus is for liver flukes... But, the valbazen will get the tapes.
My first choice for what sounds like Bottle Jaw, would be Ivomec Plus.
The swelling only gets less noticable when they have not had there heads down eating...head down brings the fluids up...it won't go away or lesson on its own. Check to see how pale the eyelids are, F.A.M.A.C.H.A method.
Also be sure to address the anemia issue with fortified B complex injections twice daily. Parasites cause a thiamine deficiancy so be sure to get the B complex with the 100 mg of thiamine per ml versus the 12.5 mg in the regular B complex. Give 10ccs twice daily subq. for an adult. A concentrated oral electrolyte is also good as it has proteins and the vitamins. Give 120 ccs at least twice daily ~ orally.
Worms should pass within 72 hours if the wormer was effective. Take a fresh feces sample in to be checked in 5 days. Bottle jaw can resolve overnight but it can also linger for a week or more. Giving the supplements and making sure she is eating well will help turn her around.
I would check eye color on the other two and worm if needed or just be safe ~ worm them anyway. You might need to worm again in 18 days to break the cycle.
I would definitely include the vitamin B.
The label dosage on our vitamin B-complex says 5ml/100 pounds.
If you are working with a vet, you could ask them how much based on the weight of Harmony.
We had one bad case of bottle jaw in a lamb a few years ago.
Our vet had us give Ivomec and a few days later, Tramisol.
We used vitamin B injections 2x/day the first couple days and then a couple more days 1x/day. We also gave him a shot of Procaine Pennicillin.
Praise report...Harmony is doing wonderful! Yesterday under watchful eye away from her Mommy she rid her body of worms. The swelling is totally gone! She has bounce and friskiness that she never had since we got her here. The vet had given a shot of antibiotics with vitamin B and that verbazen (sp). I just read this we were down again for a couple days..but back online again now, so tomorrow I will see about getting more vitamin B for her. Just a couple days worth? I think we have some left over from that little lamb that Mandy was trying to help that had that white muscle disease.
Thank you all for your help! Sure glad we listened to you and followed through with the meds..and that we didn't let it go as a "bite"!
Blessings to all,
Tamar and Mandy
EieioMom, Mandy will soon have her computer linked into the network and she looks forward to talking to you again, thanks for that beautiful friendship
I would follow everything Sue said, and also worm again in 18-20 days or the sub adults ( harder to kill ) will then be adults and you can be right back with a heavy worm load in no time...following up with another dose gives you a nice fresh start for your happy lamb...
The Thiamin will make her feel better too!