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Old 07/05/11, 07:19 PM
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Silver Fox rabbits?

I have a chance to trade my reg. Nubian buck and 2 doelings for a registered Dexter heifer bred and and 3-4 Adult Silver fox rabbits or to just take cash to make up the difference due me -
I am not a rabbit person - BUT if there is a market and they sell well, while being a critical ALBC list breed. . . would I be better off to take a breeding trio or so instead of the $100?
She is saying she sells them for $50-80 ea depending on the rabbit - is it likely I'd see that type of money on the offspring?

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Old 07/05/11, 07:41 PM
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I'd do it in a heart beat IF they are nice stock and pedigreed. ESPECIALLY if they are proven. How well they sell will depend on your networking and marketing capabilities, but there is certainly a market for these rabbits if they are good quality.

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Old 07/05/11, 07:45 PM
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My networking and marketing is hard to beat - as long as there is a market out there to market to. Maybe I'll consider them. I'll ask her about pedigrees and such. She has put a lot of effort into her goats and cattle. I imagine the same goes for the rabbits -
what price range would a buyer expect for nice stock?

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Old 07/05/11, 07:49 PM
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Take someone who knows rabbits with you when you see them, if you do decide to get rabbits. That way you can know their quality and choose the best, if allowed choices. Ask why they're offering adults, and always ask what the breeder knows are their faults. The person you bring with you should check the teeth, sex, toenail color, and check general quality and health for you as well as teach you how to do so.

You'd have to breed for quality and offer show quality rabbits to demand that price. That's about what my show quality ones sell for, but my brood quality rabbits are often around 35.00. I don't show as often as some of the BIG breeders, but I get to a few - and I think the only show I didn't get at leaset one leg on one rabbit or another, was a small show with not enough competitors.

Without a reputation for quality, you won't likely get that price consistantly and you won't ever sell an entire litter, and the prices should vary with quality within the litter. I price my 'brood' quality fairly cheaply, IMO, and I see most in the area going for 45.00 or so on average.

However, even if you sell at brood quality prices and you sell a trio every time your does raise litters, you should be making a profit! You will have paid for the entire growout pen's feed at that rate. And, the ones that don't sell make excellent meat animals, hitting 5lbs live weight by 10 weeks. If you sell more rabbits for each set of litters, that's even more profit. It all depends on demand in your area and the quality of your rabbits.

They are SUCH good animals, IMO. They are CALM and safely handleable, unlike many of the other commercial breeds which tend to be bad tempered or 'skitzy' when handled, often resulting in bites or scratches. And that FUR is to DIE for!

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Old 07/05/11, 07:51 PM
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I only sell show and breeding quality stock, anything remotely sub-par goes into the freezer, but we sell ours for $65 for nice stock with half a pedigree. (Mother's pedigree was lost.) Fully pedigreed stock goes for $75 at weaning, I wouldn't hesitate to ask more than that for a good proven doe or a nice buck with a good show record. From what I'm seeing in my shopping for outside stock down South, those seem fairly typical prices.

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Old 07/05/11, 08:07 PM
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I had a trio of silver fox's and unfortunetly I got them from a bad breeder.
But what I saw of them was they were gentle and easy to get bred.
Mine were sick when I got them and while they did produce nice litters of 7-8 kits, they would get sick alot.
So I had to give up and cull the stock and the whole litters, that were left. I have 1 silver fox /champ cross doe i saved from my champ doe who was bred when I bought her. I have thought abought getting back into them. they are good mothers.

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I think one reason there's a drastic difference of prices between here and AK is how common the breed is here in MI. I know several breeders, and also the breed was developed in the neighboring state of OH.

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Old 07/05/11, 08:10 PM
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Well, I'm next to Ohio, too - darn it!

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Old 07/05/11, 08:21 PM
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LOL - don't get me wrong, I usually am still able to sell at LEAST a trio per full growout pen. I currently have sold one trio to their new home, and have someone still wanting a pair of does and yet another trio sold and going to their new home on Sunday. I asked 90.00 for the first trio (brood quality and they got a group discount - though I've upped my prices a bit since I quoted him 90.00), and the show quality trio that will be going will be priced by taking a group discount off of the individual total price - at least 10.00 or so. For show quality, I often ask 45.00-50.00 each - but I ask less than most IMO.

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I paid $50 for my doe and $40 for my buck. I love them to pieces they are so gentle and like it was mentioned above, I LOVE their fur!
Make sure you look closely for white spots.

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Old 07/06/11, 11:57 AM
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Hey MyGoat, do you ship?! LOL

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Keep in mind that when you sell livestock, any livestock, along with the animals you are selling your reputation. You cannot expect to garner top prices with your first litters. It would be surprising to me if you were able to get "$50-$80" per rabbit in the first few years you are breeding. Those are prices I would expect to see from nationally ranked show herds. While Silver Fox are rare, most breeders are cautious and frugal!

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Old 07/07/11, 02:12 PM
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They are pedigreed - her stock all came from Whitmore Farms and all of hers are black, but they carry the blue gene, too . . .

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Keep in mind that when you sell livestock, any livestock, along with the animals you are selling your reputation. You cannot expect to garner top prices with your first litters. It would be surprising to me if you were able to get "$50-$80" per rabbit in the first few years you are breeding. Those are prices I would expect to see from nationally ranked show herds. While Silver Fox are rare, most breeders are cautious and frugal!
Quality is quality and marketing is marketing. If you animals are from good solid lines and you know what you're doing with them and keep them at a high quality mark, you should be able to sell at prices similar to those you paid for your starter stock, unless you overpaid for reputation.

Showing is excellent marketing, but there are other ways to market, too.

Things are different up here, of course. We charge premiums because we have to have stock shipped up from out of state. They aren't easy to get. I have a waiting list on my first litter even though they only have half a pedigree and I'm charging near-premium price. They're worth it, if my buyers choose to sell the offspring of these, they will command similar prices. Otherwise, they will produce very expensive meat.
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Whitmore farms got their original stock from me. I had Best of Breed at the ARBA Convention in Grand Rapids, and Best Opposite Sex at the ARBA Convention in Minnesota (last year). In 2010 I was the #2 ranked Silver Fox breeder in the country. I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand my perspective. Even though I regularly produce winners, it is rare when I charge more than $75 per rabbit. When I do, I feel that rabbit has exceptional qualities and breeding. If I sell rabbits from the house, or at local shows, they are generally priced in the $40-$65 range, depending on quality. Convention sales prices are higher b/c I have to pay dearly to enter the rabbit(s) and transport them there. I also butcher a lot of my stock. Every rabbit produced is not show quality, nor brood quality. I also point out my rabbits faults as well as their good qualities when working with buyers. It would be nice if Fox would bring the high prices I see my Holland friends get for their rabbits, but they don't and I don't fret over it. I'd still rather hang out with Silver Fox breeders than any others at the shows... and that makes it all worthwhile!

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Whitmore farms got their original stock from me. I had Best of Breed at the ARBA Convention in Grand Rapids, and Best Opposite Sex at the ARBA Convention in Minnesota (last year). In 2010 I was the #2 ranked Silver Fox breeder in the country. I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand my perspective. Even though I regularly produce winners, it is rare when I charge more than $75 per rabbit. When I do, I feel that rabbit has exceptional qualities and breeding. If I sell rabbits from the house, or at local shows, they are generally priced in the $40-$65 range, depending on quality. Convention sales prices are higher b/c I have to pay dearly to enter the rabbit(s) and transport them there. I also butcher a lot of my stock. Every rabbit produced is not show quality, nor brood quality. I also point out my rabbits faults as well as their good qualities when working with buyers. It would be nice if Fox would bring the high prices I see my Holland friends get for their rabbits, but they don't and I don't fret over it. I'd still rather hang out with Silver Fox breeders than any others at the shows... and that makes it all worthwhile!
One thing I love is that up here, it is the functional meat rabbits and large breeds that command the best prices, even if they aren't pedigreed! My purebred Thriantas from convention-winning lines often wind up going to the pet shop for $15 each, but people are paying premium for Silver Foxes to—get this— CROSS BREED with various other meat breeds and Flemish Giants. I just don't get it!

I have seen pictures of your convention winners last year! LOVELY. I really hope I can pull it together and get down there for Convention this year. Are you going again?
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Old 07/10/11, 01:26 AM
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Jkmlad, good to know! I'm not sure - I am just not a rabbit person - lol . . .so this might not be a good thing for me . . . but I don't want to miss out on an otherwise great trade by declining the trade of the rabbits, either.

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