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Old 09/07/09, 05:23 PM
 
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So yesterday, I went and bought the two Californian does that I had posted about the other day. They are very nice and will be ready to breed at the end of Oct.

Today, I went and bought a jr. buck and jr. doe (Cals.) and a doe with a 4th gen. pedigree. The lady I bought this batch from said that she had bred the ped. doe on Aug. 11. I put all of them in the same cage to transport home and the big doe was trying to mount both jrs. She couldn't tell if she was actually preg. or not so I asked her if she would throw her in with her buck. The buck got her once that we saw (we were putting together a small cage that I bought on the way there for the sole purpose of a quarantine cage, as it was obvious that her and the jrs. couldn't be together). Does that mean that she was not originally pregnant? Should I put a nest box in anyways? I've heard that because their uterus has 2 horns they can carry 2 different litters. Is that just a wives tale?

Anyways, I have 3 cages of quarantined rabbits in dh's shop. 1 on one side and 2 on the other (wall between sides). He's thrilled. Oh, wait, I'm thrilled...he's tollerant.
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Old 09/07/09, 05:35 PM
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Whooohoooo!!! I like the way you operate! In for a penny, in for a pound! I've yet to approach the "honey, Ithink the rabbits would do better out in the shop" thing.....but it's going to happen. Just waiting for the right moment....
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Old 09/07/09, 05:57 PM
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I think I'd put the box in on day 28 of the first original breeding. But, also write down the date of the 2nd breeding, just in case.

No clue about the 2 litters at once thing...
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Old 09/07/09, 07:02 PM
 
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Yes, rabbits do have two horns to the uterus and it is possible for them to conceive two different litters from two different matings on two different dates. I'm a little surprised that the doe cooperated with the buck this time. I agree with Lyndseyrk. Give her the nest box on Day 28 from the original breeding and leave it in until Day 36 or 37. And mark your calendar with the second date as well.
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Old 09/08/09, 07:29 AM
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i had a doe bred by my cal buck. i waited 16 days and tossed her back in with him. she "growled" a bit, but still accepted the buck. my thoughts were, "this is your third time missing sister, you're history".

well, i didn't butcher the doe right away. instead, i waited for the original "due-date" to arrive. although i had placed a big "M" on her hutch card, denoting a miss on the breeding. day 29, she began "digging" in her cage corners, "making bones" with her daily ration of hay. oops, better throw in a nest box.

two days later, she had 11 youngsters and has taken excellent care of them since. so, yes, they will "take" a buck even though they are already pregnant. nothing is set in stone when it comes to rabbits.

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Old 09/08/09, 07:58 AM
 
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I will throw in a nest box this morning. I don't know how to palpate and know that trying to can harm the popples. I would love to learn, but everyone I know around here just throws in a nest box and waits. Anyone here palpate or is it just best to wait?
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I tried to palpatate this past month. I would like to think I felt marbles in the lower ab; one let me and the other didn't. Neither was pleased with the effort. I would say the best plan is to know that your buck got 'em 2-3 times each session. You have to press firmly and it makes for an unhappy girl.
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Old 09/08/09, 11:45 AM
 
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Rabbit Production book has the instructions and the pictures on how to palpate. I've been trying to do it every time, but I'm awful at it. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place? Or maybe I'm not putting enough pressure. From what the Rabbit Production book says, one shouldn't put much pressure on the tissues during palpation, so they don't damage the little embryos. I can never feel anything in there, so I just give them their boxes on day 28, just in case. The guy I buy NZWs and my cages from has a really big rabbitry, he breeds them pretty intensively, and has years of experience. He told me palpation is not always reliable. He said he has does that he can't find any embryos in on palpation, but they still deliver on their due date.
As for conceiving at different times, I've read that they certainly can do this, and in rare instances even have 2 litters from 2 different breedings. However, this is very hard on them, so it should be avoided. On the other hand, like with my red doe last time - she is not very young, so I was in a hurry to breed her, the first buck attempted many times, but I never saw any evidence of him actually completing the breeding. I palpated her on day 14 after that, didn't feel a thing, and re-bred her right then with another buck. I did give her the box on day 28 from the first breeding, but I was right, and she didn't deliver until after the due date for the second breeding.

It would be really interesting to hear what more people with lots of rabbits and many years of experience have to say about this.
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