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Old 04/15/13, 09:22 PM
 
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electric netting - I'm confused!

Can anyone break it down simply for me? What is "grounding"? Joules are... the strength??? I keep reading that dry soil can be a problem; we have wet soil but just trying to understand. Somehow I think I understand the concept of "weed load" draining more power from the charger.

I'd like to use a solar charger (charger=energizer???).

I'd like to use two rolls of this: http://www.premier1supplies.com/deta...8479&cat_id=53 (100' roll of their "plus" netting which has the support poles more closely spaced)

Saw SS having this for sale: http://www.southernstates.com/catalo...energizer.aspx Can't tell if it's $200 after using the $60 coupon or if it'd end up being $140. Would that be sufficient to charge two rolls of the above? I'd need to buy a battery still, right?

Other one I've considered is: http://www.premier1supplies.com/deta...617&cat_id=171 which comes with the battery

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Old 04/16/13, 12:32 AM
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Joules: are a unit of energy electrical power , 1 Watt = 1 Joule / Second.


http://www.nmsea.org/Curriculum/Prim...y_measured.htm

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Old 04/16/13, 12:43 AM
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grounding is on one side of an electrical circuit, your fence is the other side.
when someone standing on the "ground" and touches the fence, the circuit is complete and you get a shock.

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My experience is that any solar charger is too weak for the poultry netting---especially if you're linking two together. We had some snazzy, top of the line solar energizer and it barely delivers a charge. Worked "ok" for horse pasture--- we now have a "weed burner" plug-in that gives a nice shock. The thing to remember is that every white strand is electrified, so a net is going to need a lot more whallop than a single-strand line. What is like to do is try the solar as a trickle charger for a car battery, which should be plenty to keep a sharp shock on the fence. We rotate sheep inside our netting (2 linked together), with a wooden fence comprising one side. Depending on how dry your land is, you might want to use two grounding Rods. When we moved to a thinner, longer rod, we got a much better result (deeper into the earth=more moisture).

We didn't get the plus, but have had good results from buying extra posts (I prefer the stirrup step ones-they're built more rugged and I find them easier to place if you encounter difficult ground.)

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Old 04/16/13, 01:26 PM
 
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no1 cowboy - thanks for the link. I've skimmed and need to re-read - recalling some of my high school physics classes

WOw bummed that now two people have told me that solar chargers are too weak. I liked the idea of not having to worry about outlet access and being able to move the netting anywhere on our property. but it wouldn't be any good w/o enough ooomph, right? does anyone successfully use solar? We buy meat from a nearby farmer (a relative big timer in comparison to me!) and I've seen solar chargers on their property. but maybe they're really big (expensive) ones if they're working...

gritty - good to know re: the extra posts on the regular netting... thanks.

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Old 04/16/13, 02:12 PM
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The Gallagher comes with a battery.

Read the info links at http://www.gallagherusa.com and other electric fence suppliers.

Most problems with electric fence is the ground. With single wire fence the ground wire from fence charger is connected to grounding rods - metal or preferably copper driven into the ground. Many get one rod to work but I have always used three rods wired together spaced 3 to 5 ft apart for the ground. With this type of set up the animal must touch the ground/soil and the wire. If the soil is wet the shock is greater very dry and it is weaker.

For multi strand fencing you can make one of the wires a ground (negative/green colored wire on the Gallagher ) and one or more the hot (positive/red wire on the Gallagher) wires. With this set up the animal has to touch both wires at the same time. I built a poultry pen out of cattle panels and was still having some problems with raccoons. I attached the ground wire to the pen panel and ran a hot wire (positive) about 4 feet off the ground the raccoons try to limb the pen to get in and get shocked when they touch the wire and the pen panel. Chickens touching the pen do not get shocked. Cows rubbing against it get shocked as they end up touching both.

With any fencing you have to fence the desire- have a in heat mare on one side of a fence and a stallion on the other you need a 10 foot high very strong fence, a 3 foot space then another 10 foot high strong fence to keep them apart. Not in heat if they have been trained to an electric fence just one wire and it does not need to be attached to a power source. One a horse, cow, pig, sheep or dog learn what a hot wire is they will never willing touch it again. I do not say goats as my goats will get a goat up against the wire then push them thru/over it. Once the wire is down they run a mock. Kind of funny but I would hate to be the goat pushed thru.


If the animals have plenty of food and water and no one is in heat or they are already together it takes a lot less to fence them in. I have seen one of my uncles use an electric fence for years without having fence charger. He bought some new heifers and picked up a charger on his way home as the new cows were not trained to the wire.

I think what you are proposing will work for poultry.

I have neighbors that have movable hoop shelters that they put a woven electric fence around to keep the chickens in. They also use herding dogs. They keep a dog in each pen to keep stray dogs, raccoons, cats, fox and coyotes out. Each pen is about 1/4 acre they move the pens a couple times a summer I suppose every 6 to 8 weeks. They have 3 of these and raise several thousand fryers this way every year.

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I have the cheapest solar energizer from Premier 1.
I only use wire strands, a net is a mess and sucks out power.
Grass, leaf piles, rocks, wood and other things touching a wire and then the ground will suck out power. You need to keep everything off, dead and away from the fence.
Grounding is the metal bar in the ground, it is attached the energizer, other cable goes from the energizer to the fence. When a person, animal or inanimate object touches the fence, they complete the circuit. Birds that land on the wires don't get shocked because they don't have a food on the ground.
I have 8 strands of hot wire, it keeps foxes, raccoons, dogs, pigs & horses away. I have at least 2 miles of wire now on that one small energizer. I need to buy a second one, I love them that much.
Its far better than risking a power outage and all the animals escape or predators come in and kill everything.

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We have a Gallagher solar charger, and a plug in charger, and they both deliver a similar wallop on our electronet. The hardest part of electronet is keeping it from sagging on the ground and grounding out the charge in between posts. You can use fiberglass posts to help with this (I can post a photo if you're interested). Your best friend will be a meter with a digital readout so you can tell if your fence is working. It was perplexing to me t first, but after a couple of years with the stuff I can tell immediately where the problem is. Like anything with this gig, you just get a feel for it after a while. I'm the go to gal for fence problems in our house, my husband just stays blissfully ignorant.

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