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Old 07/15/11, 10:57 AM
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New NC law about transport of swine.

This is a BIG deal..please read.
You may not transport swine, even farm to farm, in NC without purchasing a id form from the state vet. Fines between $1,000-$5,000 per head.
http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2011/B...PDF/H432v4.pdf
http://sfc.smallfarmcentral.com/dyna...2%206.2.11.pdf

Prepare to butcher at home and to not buy weaner pigs...

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Old 07/15/11, 11:17 AM
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Slick, how they slipped it in as a way to control feral swine. I'm sure the majority of pigs in farm trucks and trailers on the road are feral ...

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Old 07/15/11, 11:18 AM
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wow... just wow. so glad I moved from that state.

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Old 07/15/11, 03:02 PM
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Been warning about this. http://NoNAIS.org

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Old 07/15/11, 03:40 PM
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Highland, I think even Jake Oster has it wrong. if I remember right it is $500.00 worth not a count of 500.

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Old 07/15/11, 04:08 PM
 
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actually they have an ongoing problem of illegal stocking of boar in NC, and a lot of it is on public lands.

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Old 07/15/11, 04:34 PM
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boar as in wild swine?
they don't even look like farm pigs. why not just fine people with wild boars?
and why do you have to go though usda to get the ear tags. why not just have them at the feed store to pick up?

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not saying the "solution" isn't stupid just that there actually is a problem that needs to be addressed, however they do have existing laws to adress the problem. they just can't catch the nimrods.

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Old 07/15/11, 05:00 PM
 
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Well I think its Hog doo doo !! How can every small farmer get everything done thru the state in less than 90 days? Are they going to sit outside the sale barn and wait to see who shows up ? Litter of feeder pigs shows up and there's a 40k fine....

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Old 07/15/11, 05:34 PM
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Well, I don't think the sky is falling. Seems like they are trying to find a solution to a real problem. Feral swine are a real problem in lots of states; not just to agriculture but also to all small farms that have hogs (ever heard of brucellosis?)

However I don't understand the problem that this is meant to fix. Is there a problem with people moving feral hogs from place to place? Are people trying to stock areas for hunters? (Release some pigs onto public lands and then guide hunters to these "feral" hogs?)

There's got to be more to this story. Before getting too critical I think I need to learn more about the problem. I don't have any problem with tagging hogs per se; been doing it for years.

ADDED: "boar as in wild swine? they don't even look like farm pigs." Many feral pigs are descended from farm pigs and some look just like the crosses on my farm.

ADDED: FWIW the law in Missouri allows anyone, on public land or private land with permission, to shoot feral hogs on sight without needing a license.

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Old 07/15/11, 05:48 PM
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NC is one of the largest commercial hog farming states from what I understand. maybe too many people are wanting to raise their own now, less tax $
so find out who the little farmers are who sell to the common folk to to keep an eye (then a fist) on them?

http://www.duke.edu/web/mms190/hogfarming/

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yes there is an on going problem w/ people ILLEGALLY stocking feral hogs in NC.
no true feral & true domestics look different. the rooting in the wild changes the shape of the skull. that is a big part of how all the "hogzillas" get outed because people that know the difference can tell immediately that the "5 ton super hog" is really a feed lot boar.

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=== FWIW the law in Missouri allows anyone, on public land or private land with permission, to shoot feral hogs on sight without needing a license. ===


In Texas, it was always open season on feral hogs. No permits/license needed.
With 3 million feral hogs tearing up the land, they practically begged folks to fill their freezers. Would think it's still the same way now.

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Old 07/16/11, 11:01 PM
 
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I think this is only the first acorn.

"A GOV. LARGE anough to give you everything you want is large anough to take every thing you have."

1. Another case of the GOV. spending money to correct a problem by punishing the not guilty.

2. Do you realy want the STATE having the final say on if you can sell your livestock or not. ( If you can't move it you can't sell it.)

3. I do think NC is # 2 or #3 in commercial hog production. It would be interesting if the big boys had any say $$$ in this.

Whats Next ?

Higher Taxes and Fees to pay for State Vets.

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My thought is you cant carry your on hog to the butcher unless its dead. If its dead the the butcher wont take it.... Whats next ???? Sheep and goats ....

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Wildfrogs The problem with your rant is that in the specific case of laws and regulations targeting small farmers to benefit large ones, the red states rather than the blue have the bad track record.

I'm not talking about any other aspect of life, just agriculture. It's the red states whose governments look bought and paid for.

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Old 07/17/11, 09:56 AM
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I also see it this way... at $5,000 a pop for each pig being transported the state (and probably the county in which they are busted) stands to make a pretty penny with this.
And $5,000 is a good deal more than what they make off each DUI. I think they will be looking for trailers.

And your average everyday guy who gets 2 weaners a year and takes them to butcher is not going to know about this law. And the 4-H kids that will be going to the state fair in Sept. and trying to bring them home in Oct. That'll be a shocker.

It greatly affects many people I know. I can think of 3 families that raise hogs each year and sell the meat locally for a good chunk of their yearly income. Grass raised pork is very popular here. It won't break the bank for them, but if the 'fee' for the ID is $50, that will double the price of each weaner pig.


I also think that the abbatoirs will soon get the message that they cannot process a hog without the ID..
It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

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i can see the potential for a travelling butcher.

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=== My thought is you cant carry your on hog to the butcher unless its dead. If its dead the the butcher wont take it.... Whats next ???? ===


Here in Arizona, the processsor comes to our place. We don't have to haul critters.

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I forgot to give Thomas Jefferson credit for the quote.

Frank the main point I wanted to make was a larger more controlling Gov. may not be a good thing. The comment about the big boys was more of a question. I also hope the Red States ( usually more conservative and Southern or Western ) don't go the way of the typically large GOV. minded blue states that have trouble funding their budjets even with high taxes.

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