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Old 01/01/10, 12:14 PM
 
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Question Pros & Cons of Artificial Insemination

Thoughts on this? I would rather have a boar do the job naturally, but that might not be possible for awhile. So I am considering artificial insemination for a finer quality of pig but it seems so unnatural.
Would appreciate all points of view.
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Old 01/01/10, 01:41 PM
 
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for a small amount of sows AI is the only way to go! You don't have to feed the boar 1 ton of feed, your cost per pig is less, and you can vary your gentics.

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Old 01/01/10, 05:36 PM
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AI was what I wanted to try as I only had a single gilt. But after a year without her coming into heat, I decided to change my plans when I came across a 1-year Berk boar. After a week my gilt came into heat, they bred, and now she should farrow at the end of the month.

I didn't try using the boar spray.

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Old 01/01/10, 10:26 PM
 
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Not having to keep/feed a boar and genetics is most definately a big plus. But a big negative to AI in pigs is the cost of the shipping of the fresh semen. I believe the least amount of shipping costs that I have ever had has been between $40 and $50. If a person is only ordering 2 doses at one time (gilt/sow requires 2 doses), then you can see how shipping costs can be pretty expensive.
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We figure if the boar breeds 2 sows, twice a year, he has more than paid for his ton of feed. He knows when the girls are in heat. We just tried AI for the first time. 4 sows, 8 doses of over run semen plus shipping was $400. 2 of the 4 took, that is typical. The boar is cheaper, but AI gives you the variety in genetics you can't get with just one boar.
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Thank you everyone for your input We decided to buy a boar this time around tho AI is not out of the question in the future. Because we are fairly new at raising pigs (we raised four gilts for the freezer in 2005) this time we decided to winter over our 2 gilts and breed them. This is uncharted territory for us but we have two kids in 4-H and have decided to just go for it wnting both show and freezer pigs. Our boar is a purebred Yorkshire, 5 mo. 110 lbs. It will be June before we can breed, we certainly have done this kind of backwards and the hard way, but originally we didn't plan to breed- It has been a wonderful family adventure this far!
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Old 01/03/10, 01:45 PM
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Agreed, for a small number of sows I would recommend AI. Figure the costs of maintaining a boar and how many sows he needs to be servicing to make it worth keeping him. Feed is the biggest cost since you already have the infrastructure setup. A boar on pasture is a lot less expensive than one on commercial feed in a stall. Figure out the costs for your situation.

A farmer I talked with this once said he figures that on a commercial grain diet with his boars and sows in stalls he has to be keeping a minimum of six sows per boar. Even then he liked to lease out his boars to help pay for them. We borrowed boars from him when we were first getting started and got our first breeding boar from him. This was a little risky but a way of getting going.

The big disadvantage to borrowing or lending boars is that sexual promiscuity is a great way to transmit disease. For this reason we have closed herds and cross back and forth between them. We get many requests for stud service but don't do it. We'll sell people young boars to get started with but we don't lend boars out and then take them back nor do we we have sows or gilts come here for breeding. The risk to our breeding herd is too great.

An exception could be if you are one of several small farmers in an area and then as a group you maintain a shared boar who makes his rounds visiting each farm twice a year for about a month. I have talked with one person who was part of a group who were doing this. If everyone is careful this could work well and keep down the costs.

One solution is to get a boar, have him do his breeding duties and then eat him. That way you get to have your stud and eat him too. I know of some people who've done that. We do it in effect since we test and cull boars, the only difference being they're from one of our herds rather than coming in from outside.

I figure on needing one boar per fifteen sows but I keep more than that as I like to have them working backup incase several sows all come into heat at once or the main boar is feeling down on a particular day. Kept together from an early age a pair of boars get along quite well. Be very cautious of mixing them later if they've grown apart.

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Thank you everyone for your input We decided to buy a boar this time around tho AI is not out of the question in the future. Because we are fairly new at raising pigs (we raised four gilts for the freezer in 2005) this time we decided to winter over our 2 gilts and breed them. This is uncharted territory for us but we have two kids in 4-H and have decided to just go for it wnting both show and freezer pigs. Our boar is a purebred Yorkshire, 5 mo. 110 lbs. It will be June before we can breed, we certainly have done this kind of backwards and the hard way, but originally we didn't plan to breed- It has been a wonderful family adventure this far!
I'm just curious as to why you cannot breed until June.
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I'm just curious as to why you cannot breed until June.
The breeder I bought him from said he has to be eight months old in order to breed (June). Is this true? My gilts are older/bigger (10 months old).
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The breeder I bought him from said he has to be eight months old in order to breed (June). Is this true? My gilts are older/bigger (10 months old).
That sounds about right.

Why not AI those gilts NOW then they you can breed them again in the summer when your boar is mature enough. Feeding for 6 months without any production seems to be an imprudent allocation of resources.

Check this site out as a source of economical semen. Four doses of semen would be $48.

http://www.swinegenetics.com/duroc_choice.html

Jim

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If you are going to show pigs from these litters in 4H when do you need the litters? When you first said you couldn't breed until June I thought it was because of show schedules.
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Old 01/08/10, 11:41 AM
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An advantage of AIing now while you wait on that boar is then you will have some more variety in your genetics and can close your herd. Right now while you've just introduced multiple pigs onto the farm you're taking the disease risk. AI has a small disease risk. Less than bringing in a whole live animal but some. So put it all together at once. Get the litters out of those gilts with AI. Choose the very best gilts to keep and then they and the existing gilts become your herd foundation.

Introducing new genetics is something you need to do carefully and probably not frequently. There are issues of disease and of getting in traits you don't want. Over time your herd will evolve to fit your farm's feed, management and micro-environment.

Always breed the best of the best and eat the rest. That way your herd improves.

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Are there any big farms around you in the area, If they collect the will regularly have overun or unused doses, If asked nicely.... they will give you the left over doses, that are only hours old. I have never charged a local hobby farmer, when I had left over. I just give it away and most of the farms I know would do the same.... Don't ask for a breeding certificate of be pickly about the breed. Keep in mind that the boar they are uses is probably worth a thousand dollars or better.
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Old 01/08/10, 02:31 PM
 
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That sounds about right.

Why not AI those gilts NOW then they you can breed them again in the summer when your boar is mature enough. Feeding for 6 months without any production seems to be an imprudent allocation of resources.

Check this site out as a source of economical semen. Four doses of semen would be $48.

http://www.swinegenetics.com/duroc_choice.html

Jim
Thank You! The two sites I went to were going to be $150.00 min. per gilt.
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