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Old 01/16/09, 06:45 PM
 
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Question Very young gilts in heat

Well my 3 small 6 mth old gilts are in their 2nd heat. When abby went into heat and gordy was stinking BAD it brought them into their first heat. Sursee ds gilt is in major stand heat. I just had to redo the elc fencing cuse gordy, my slaughter boys,and the 3 girls were tearing down the fence to get at each other. two girls are sold for meat and Sursee I dont want to breed till she is a year. Now just to contain her for that long.
Have any of your pigs going into heat this early???? Sursee is a good 325. But she could in no way hold gordys 800lb body. So for the next 2 mts ill be getting her up to the size she needs to be. We are concidering getting her AId to a super good boar. Sursee is just a magnificent pig. SHe has matured on little feed and lots of hay and man is she wide. She is a winner.
I just never had pigs come into heat so soon. SHould we attempt to breed her on her next heat???

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Old 01/16/09, 09:31 PM
 
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Walter im attempting to search your site but cant see about gilts and heat/ breeding. What age do you normally let your gilts breed?

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Pigs can come into heat at a very young age which doesn't mean that it's a good idea to breed them.

Personally, I don't breed my gilts until a year old and I think that's soon enough if I'm wanting the best out of my sows. If you want to do the same, I guess you've got your work cut out keeping your pigs in a situation where they can't get at each other and/or destroy the place in the doing so I keep my boar and gilts as far away from each other as it is possible to do so and leave him in with sows once he's done his job with them - the company keeps him happy and he can't do any damage.

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The old adage for bringing gilts into heat is: "Mix 'em, Move 'em, Boar expose 'em". It looks like you got the Boar Exposure right.

How old is your Sursee? If she is 8 months or so adn 325, I'd breed her. If she is 325 and you don't intend to breed her for a while make sure you limit feed her so she does not get fat (overconditioned). This is the primary cause for dystocia and will result in dead piglets.

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Sursee is only 6 1/2 mts old. SHe is in no way fat she is mega muscle. I gotta get pictures of her. I just look at her and shake my head and thank the LORD he has givin us a great gilt. I dont breed till 1 year also. But she is just wondreful. Ill see how she is in a few mts.

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Feral hogs breed at 6 months or younger with ill effects so I suspect it'll be the same for domestic hogs.

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Well my 3 small 6 mth old gilts are in their 2nd heat.
Six months isn't very young. I look for gilts to have their first litter around one year, sometimes a little earlier. Longer than that and I suspect they may not be fertile. Gestation is about four months (3m+3w+3d) so breeding at six to eight months is normal.

The presence of another female in heat, especially a dominant, can trigger heat in other gilts and sows. Abby may be doing that for your gilts.

I have heard people say that gilts who breed too young have their breeding ability impaired for life. I have not seen this to be true in the few gilts that I have seen breed and farrow at very young ages.

Condition is more important than age. I want to see the sow or gilt looking fine before they breed. This makes for more piglets of a good size.

Unless there is a special circumstance we simply run our boars with the breeding herd.

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Old 01/27/09, 02:30 PM
 
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Walter Will she be able to hold his weight? or will she crouch down and he hold his own weight while he breeds her. Gordy is so big (800lbs) Or do i need to build a breeding thing? aka the thing that will hold gordys weight.

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A large weight difference is an issue. We had one gilt that had her back broken by a boar. She was about 250 and he was about 700 lbs(?). The problem was they were breeding out in the field on slippery ice on a hill rather than down on the flat terrace where the hay covered the snow. Better footing would have prevented the problem.

I would suggest you have them in a place with good footing. Not concrete. Not wood. Not ice. Snow is good. Grass is better. Dirt is fine.

We have one very large boar (1,500 lbs? Spot) who often keeps three feet on the ground while breeding smaller sows and gilts thus supporting his own weight. A real gentleman. He has the advantage of having long enough legs to pull off that stunt.

I tend to run our smaller gilts with our smaller boars to try to prevent this sort of issue. An 600 or 800 lb sow has no trouble with the big boars. If she is collapsing under him then I would get concerned.

I have seen photos of the 'breeding crates' you describe. That can be a good solution for a huge weight difference.

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Old 01/27/09, 05:22 PM
 
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I only have one boar. Ill see about ai her on her next go round if I can get the squeeze shute up and running. we mostly have snow on their area but there is a spot that is icy due to them dumping their water. Im not willing to risk her for a chance at breeding.

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I have the opposite problem. The boar is about 6 months and he has designs on an older lady, about 1.5 years. When will he be old enough and does he need a step ladder? She is raring to go.

An old guy around here said he breeds his gilts early when they are smaller, and they never grow as big for the remainder of their breeding life. Any truth?

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Old 01/28/09, 12:41 PM
 
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Ed if you can get her to be lower to him that will help him hit is mark. I think I will be building a breeding crate. I want to keep gordy around for a while more. He is so sweet. Best dang pig.

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