Scary question

[ilikefathorses]

Has anyone here ever had someone try to buy your goats for ritual sacrifice?

[TerriA]

Not buy.. but we had our first saanen doeling killed in a sacrificial way when we went on vacation 6 years ago (the sheep she was with were not hurt). The vet who did the autopsy was very sick over it and kept telling us at first that a "blade of grass" probably sliced her open, took her reproductive organs, drained her blood (not a spot of blood ANYWHERE) etc.. he was very shook up. We had a friend of ours come over the morning after we left and he found her.. she had a stone next to her head and just a couple drops of blood there on her head.. no where else!).

Took us until the end of this past May to get another goat (and then we made sure she was a milker.. already bred.. apparently the eveil doers like them "virgins"). I get sick every time I think about it.

VERY sad and sordid and no cop in the county would touch it...

Terri

[Goat Freak]

Listen I know it's none of my business who you sell your goats too, but please do not let your goats be put through that kind of tortue. Being a Christian myself I would never supply them with anything that helps them practice their evil, whether or not they buy it. I would say though that if you do decide not to sell a goat to them, that you watch your goats carefully and remember the name of the person just in case, the story above kinda freaked me out, to believe that someone would do that uhh.

[ilikefathorses]

I am also a Christian, and have no intention whatsoever of letting the fellow buy my goats. That's why when I found out WHY he wanted them, I was extremely disgusted. I was just wondering, have you ever had this problem?

[ilikefathorses]

After hearing your experience, TerriA, I am even more sure that that's what he wanted them for. I advertised that they were doelings that had not been bred. He evaded all of my questions concerning what type of facilities he had to take care of them and so forth and so on.

[TerriA]

Just knowing you have them can be enough... I hate to suggest this, but hardly ANYONE knew we were out of town and yet "someone" found out and took advantage of the situation.... there is some Satanic holiday coming up soon.. we left on a friday before Labor Day 6 years ago (1999) and found out later that it was one of the "holidays".. trust me, as a fellow Christian, I was freaked out even researching what little I did.

Keep an ear and eye open for a bit of "unwanted company".. or... take them somewhere else you feel is safer. Cancel the ad for a few weeks if need be and tell everyone you sold them already... he may have a pal who will call you and act more "normal" and I am just paranoid to think that maybe....???

Just a bit of advice - I am sure others will have better!!!
In Him
Terri

[ilikefathorses]

Well, a bit of information that I did gather was that he was from out of state. He wanted me to entrust my doelings to a shipper, but he would not tell me where they were shipping them to. I was selling the goats for my mom (it's sort of a joint venture.) and she was suspicious and told me to start asking questions. He evaded them, and we decided not to deal with him. It's just too freaky.

[Ryou-Sama2]

I really don't fit in here at all, because I'm not Christian. But either way, stealing anything from anyone is seldom necessary and although I wouldn't go so far as to use the word 'evil' for religions that involve sacrifice of live animals I wouldn't sell anything to them if I cared for my animals at all. Frankly, I don't think there is any such thing as 'humane killing' but there is /more/ humane killing. It's not humane to kill something. It's like 'kind murder'. Especially if you aren't going to use the meat.

[PrepNut]

Originally Posted by natybear

I think an area of this conversation not touched on is that someone stole her goat!!! I live in an area with an ethnic community that is not above stealing from farmers and it is always a concern to lock the animals up and make it look like someone is always in the barn or around, even at night. I hate that I feel this way but I went to school with them, and my mother teaches them in an at "risk school." If they aren't in gangs and causing trouble in town they are causing trouble in the countryside. And its their parents too, they encourage and partake in the theivery.

I believe that everything I have been thinking while reading the posts has already been said about the sacrificing,its obvious that this was done out of evil because THEY STOLE A GOAT!!!

Right on!

People do ugly things in the name of religion - all religions, christianity included. We all participate in the sacrifice of animals everytime we eat meat, and if you buy yours from a grocery store please do some research on how 'humanely' they are killed (some are still alive) before processing.

Stealing is wrong. Killing animals inhumanely is wrong. Using religion to harm others is wrong. But it seems like humans have a long way to go to stop doing wrong things. I guess we can all do our part by making things less easy to steal, buy meat from responsible farmers, and learn a little about other's beliefs before making judgements.

One last comment about "satanists". They have to be christians first, to believe in satan. Most wiccans and pagans that I know don't participate in the christian belief system, so they don't include satan in their 'deity' list. They usually respect life and its cycles and take great care to be tolerant of others right to worship as they see fit.

--PrepNut

[crystalniche]

I think that it is terrible that this goes on. A few years ago we were warned that there were several animals missing in the area and that they had been found dead in an isolated area having been ritually killed. They were pretty sure that Satanists had done it by the way they were killed. I am a Christian almost from birth. That is how I was brought up and how I live my life. I am also a rock collector and really like quartz crystals among other crystals but do not use them for anything other than to collect because I enjoy them as they are, their natural beauty. We had a store and people would come in and buy my rocks and crystals. One couple made a big effort to become friends with us and we all got along together very well. We went places and did things with them almost every weekend. She told me they were Pagans and I accepted that because I do not discriminate because of religion unless they try to get me involved in theirs. Anyway, after we knew each other awhile she began changing, she had her "church" set up in her home and it began to evolve too. She had fast gone from Pagan to the black arts. The last time we were at their home last Fall she scared me so badly that when we left I told my husband that I would never go there again. Period. Her "church" was truly a place where you could feel the evil in residence. Very scary! I won't say what happened there but I doubt that even she was aware of all of it. I told a Pagan friend in detail what went on there and she told me the whys and to stay as far away from those people as I could get. My whole point to this is that there are many, many people into the black arts in almost every area and they prefer to stay very discreet. When we had the store many of them would come to buy my rocks for their religious purposes and I was surprised at how many locals were into it. Could be that your next door neighbor who seems like a great couple are into it at night or that school teacher is into it too. I know this sounds off the wall but there are many more of them out there who do rituals and/or sacrifices and they do not have to come from out of state. Before I began to sell my rocks I thought that they were rare and in small groups somewhere else. Not anymore! Please be careful when you sell your animals especially around their holidays. Keep them well protected and secure. Some of the rituals are ghastly from what I've heard.

[natybear]

A friend's mother claims to be very christian but makes necklaces with crystals and hemotite(?) and other "relaxing" stones. She's given me some of them as gifts and I never even touch them. Is she really christian to all of you? Maybe this isn't the right forum, but it is the right post. Should I avoid her? She also does raki, I think she is a bit power hungry and bordering on evil. My friend is dear to me but I fear for him and even his mother who is doing this stuff. Let me know what you think.

[mamasaanan]

Wiccans do not do blood sacrafices. Nor do many of the other Goddess religions. Santaria is the exception but when they do a ritual sacrifice it is done humanly and the animal is cooked and eaten as part of the celebration of that ritual.

There are, unfortunatly, a bunch of kooks out there who get their jollies by using 'black magick'. These people are just plain evil and if they didn't have the occult as an excuse they'd find something else. Every October my husband and I make sure all our fences are secure and the gates stay locked because I don't want one of my animals to fall victem to a bunch of loonies. I also keep my cats in the house for the same reason.

[TerriA]

I am so sorry this thread was "hijacked" into something else! I was just responding to someone who wanted to know whether they should have sold a goat! I related my story as a sort of "warning" that if you advertise doelings and you care about their welfare after the sale, then this time of year (at least from my perspective) is one of the worst times to advertise.

I am a Christian.. but I also have friends who aren't... enough said. If we want to discuss the religious aspects maybe this can be brought up on the general chat area???

To some of us, goats are more than simply livestock.. we may bottle feed them, care for them in ways that would be hard if they were simply poultry (not knocking poultry here!!! <G>) or another "non cuddly" animal. The goat I had posted about (Daisy) was our PET.. she followed me everywhere and had free rein of the place unless we went somewhere or at night when she was penned up with the 2 sheep we had at the time. She brightened our days and was the "farm clown"... I cried for weeks..and yes, even now, when I think what happened to her. She was NOT FOR SALE.. but someone took her and claimed her for their own use... period. Stealing is one thing, killing on OUR PROPERTY made it worse... I felt violated like I had been raped....

I hope you can respect the originator of this thread and move the topic of religion somewhere else.

Terri

[natybear]

You are so right, I'm sorry we offended you. I want to thank everyone for the mini education about all the aspects of this topic. Believe me, we all feel you were a victim and do not wish this on anyone. I'm sorry if my question was out of place by you. I do not think anyone meant to pass judgement on anyone personally or their aquantences. I hope you realize that educating ourselves and eachother was part of your intent and I feel others were just helping and trying to support you through their posts as well.

[ilikefathorses]

Thank you all very much for your input. To make a long story short, I will not sell him the goats. Thanks for all your ideas! Here's to you!

[TerriA]

Natybear, I was just noticing that a few of the posters were getting a bit defensive when no attack was meant.. and I saw it getting a tad out of hand.. I hope you didn't take offense since none was meant!!

Have a great evening!!!

Terri

[foxtrapper]

Originally Posted by TerriA

I am so sorry this thread was "hijacked" into something else!

I hope you can respect the originator of this thread and move the topic of religion somewhere else.

Terri

? I really don't see it being hijacked. The question was simply "Has anyone here ever had someone try to buy your goats for ritual sacrifice?" That inherently includes religions, and the decision about selling. I'm sorry your pet was killed, but that's an entirely different matter than what the question asked.

[Goat Freak]

Originally Posted by tinetine'sgoat

In Christianity, Jesus was our sacrifice, there is no need for any other, so yes it is against our religion. Not wanting to argue, but just stating my beliefs

RIGHT ON TINETINES'SGOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!