Twins here! Urgent question....

Croenan · #1 06/10/05, 05:21 PM

They have arrived, a boy and a girl. I'll give more details later, but I have an urgent question. The boys umbilical has a a really big bulge in it and I swear I cut 3 pieces of the cord!?!? I sure as hell hope it wasn't intestines! It doesn't look like intestines, but what could it be and what should we look for? He's not much for eating but we are working on him. I will post a picture in a few if anyone thinks they want to see it to help diagnose....

Please reply asap...thanks!

Croenan · #2 06/10/05, 06:04 PM

Ok....the boy is definately weaker than the girl and I am still worried about his umbilical. Here is a picture...would someone reassure me that the white things are ligaments and not intestines. I see no mesentary so I have to assume that it's a ligament or something, but I am sooo scared that I may have injured him. I cut about 6 inches or more away from his belly because his cord looked to big. It was as far as we could pull.

Please advise...he's not sucking very well and wants to nap but he doesn't seem like he's unusually weak and dying. How long can they go again without nursing...(we did get a tiny bit in him)

http://www.seraphworks.com/corrieann.../umbilical.JPG

susanne · #3 06/10/05, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Croenan

Ok....the boy is definately weaker than the girl and I am still worried about his umbilical. Here is a picture...would someone reassure me that the white things are ligaments and not intestines. I see no mesentary so I have to assume that it's a ligament or something, but I am sooo scared that I may have injured him. I cut about 6 inches or more away from his belly because his cord looked to big. It was as far as we could pull.

Please advise...he's not sucking very well and wants to nap but he doesn't seem like he's unusually weak and dying. How long can they go again without nursing...(we did get a tiny bit in him)

http://www.seraphworks.com/corrieann.../umbilical.JPG

it doesn't look like intestine to me. next time before you cut the umbelical cord it would be a good idea to bind a floss around it after cutting dip it in iodine to prevent infection. you can still do this. since he is just born it could well be that he is tired. give him a little rest and he will be fine.
susanne

Croenan · #4 06/10/05, 08:36 PM

Well, she did it! The twins are finally here, a girl and a boy. Ginger and Kuzko...pygmy/kiko mixes...and they are beautiful!

Oleanna's (mom) labor was the quietest labor I have ever heard! She made one peep when she was pushing out the first one. I think I was making more noise than she was cause this one really looked like it hurt!!! :haha: I almost thought I would have to do an episiotomy! (but I didn't know if you did that in goats!)

Kuzko is holding his own right now and has finally nursed a couple of times so he's resting, but I worry about him. Ginger is fiesty. Both are smaller than I thought they would be, but I guess it's because they are twins. Our first doeling was hefty. I wonder if I should check on them later tonight and get them to eat again...they aren't eating as much as our first doeling.

Funny thing is that momma was in her goat house all day laboring and then really acted like she wanted out of the "barn". So my hubby and I talked it out and let her out. I was nervous about that one, but it turned out to be good, even with a little bad weather. She almost immediately relaxed and started to get serious about labor. Everyone in the pen, including the chickens kept away, so it was nice to be able to watch her from a distance. She is very attached to me and my hubby so I really don't think she minded us watching.

I have pictures for those of you who want to see them. There is a subfolder with the "au natuaral" pictures if you wanna look at those too.
http://www.seraphworks.com/gallery/v...umName=album06

We are sooo proud...now if you'll excuse me...I need a shower bad!

Milking Mom · #5 06/10/05, 08:44 PM

Congratulations! Looks like she did a good job.

lizmont2000 · #6 06/10/05, 10:03 PM

The twins look good, congrats!

The first pic looks like the normal vessels (artery and veins). I agree with the previous post about tying first, and try not to pull on the cords. In fact, in human infants the accepted practice is not to cut the cord for a couple of minutes. This lets the much-needed blood (oxygenated from mom) get to the baby, rather than being wasted. If the cord breaks, then tie it off and leave it be for a couple of hours.

Best wishes!
Liz

debitaber · #7 06/11/05, 10:57 AM

dip the cord in iodine, if you are allergic to iodine, then use rubbing achoyl, the kid will yell a bit, but it will dry it up really fast ,
Now you say he is weaker, make sure to give him his colastrum, and then a shot of BO SE, one cc. and give him a little vitamin b complex, oh about a half cc. should do it.
then I think you will see a difference, and a shot of anti toxin wouldn't hurt either, one cc, and in ten days, he gets his booster.
make sure the little guy gets plenty of colastrum the first 10 hours, that makes all the difference, even if you have to milk out mama, and give to him in a bottle. It will make a big difference. as will the other things. I would give the vitamin b complex, right in his milk.