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06/10/05, 10:27 AM
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Can I cross Pygmys/Nubians?
Hello,
I am new to the HT board and I have to say it is a great place! So hello everyone! I live in SE Ohio on a small farm (15 acres) and have raised pygmy goats for the past five years. I would like to add some Nubians to my herd to learn how to milk them, but I have kept a few pygmy does I am fond of. So, if I get a Nubian buck will my little does be able to have the larger babies successfully? I have seen my does have some big babies, but not sure about Nubian-sized, thanks!
Aimee
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06/10/05, 10:34 AM
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you can breed a pygmy buck to a nubioan doe, but you can't breed a nubian buck to a pygmy doe, the babies would be to big and kill your doe.
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06/10/05, 10:45 AM
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And will the pygmy buck be needing a hill or a step-ladder to heighten his chances???
I have a pygmy/nubian buckling that I had hoped would grow enough but it is not looking good. He is a sweet little bugger though.....and a busy forager, freindly and talkative! We call him Cracker Jack.
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06/10/05, 01:05 PM
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Look up Kinder goats. The breed originated with crossing Nubians and Pygmys. However, I think a Pygmy doe would be hard pressed to deliver a half Nubian kid.
Meg
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06/10/05, 01:16 PM
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And will the pygmy buck be needing a hill or a step-ladder to heighten his chances???
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I don't know for sure, but one of our does is a pygmy cross with, obviously, some dairy blood and she is fairly tall. When we chose from between four pygmy bucks to breed her, the owner of the bucks said, "Don't worry about the height difference - they'll manage." And they did, even though my doe was quite a bit taller than any of the boys.
Not as big as the difference between a Pygmy and a Nubian, though!
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06/10/05, 05:46 PM
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Depends on the size of your pygmy does.
We had a pygmy doe in our herd. She was bred to a LaMancha buck twice, then a dairy/pygmy cross buck a couple of times and this alst time to Saanen/Boer cross buck. She usually had multiples and it was fairly easy on her. This last time was a huge single buck and we did lose ehr to a slow ifnection when he was two months old at 8 years old. That was our fault though. The only other time she had singles was her first and she was a La Mancha kid. No problems there.
We're also in SE Ohio. 
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06/11/05, 08:17 AM
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all full blood pygmies should not be bred to a breed of goat (or any goat) very much larger than them. unless they are unusually large crosses, you can prolly never ever breed them to a nubian without them dying at birth. the babies would be absolutely huge. (try breeding a male standard poodle to a female mini poodle!!!!) if you want pygmy/nubian crosses, go for the male pygmy to the female nubians. if you have or are getting a milkstand, then that should hold the female in heat and you could probably add height for the back to help the little guy, but most are pasture bred despite the difference in height.
i kno there may be some who have had good experiences of breeding male nubians to female pygmies, but you shoud prollly not risk it, especially if youre as attached as u say u are to the does.
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06/11/05, 08:38 AM
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you will be amazed. the small bucks will get the job done with no problem. it is amazing , they do get the larger does bred. I have a small pygmy buck, and I do have to watch him, as he will breed the big full size nubian does I have.
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06/11/05, 12:18 PM
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The size of the mother does have quite a bit of effect on the size of the kids at birth.
I forgot to mention that Velvet (the pygmy) settled to a Nubian buck one of those years and produced triplet doelings.
If you have the really small pygmies, it isn't something you should purposely do though. Velvet was a larger pygmy doe and that was why it was fine with her.
Her two daughters out of the LaMancha buck raise wonderful kids.
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06/11/05, 07:50 PM
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My nigerian buck bred 4 full sized alpines and a pygmy just fine! (no step ladder envolved) and it was his first shot, he was only 7 months old!!!! Please dont breed that big buck to the little does =(
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06/16/05, 05:17 PM
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Shouldnt the mothers body determine the size of the in-uterus baby?
Most animals I know (ok well horses and humans lol) wont grow a baby larger than they can handle.
You can breed a large horse to a pony and the foal would come out a normal pony sixe, THEN grow to whichever height its genens intend it to be.
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