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Old 03/14/05, 07:28 PM
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Anyone gave ivomectrin shots??

I was wondering if any of you all have had any problems giving ivermectrin (Ivomec) shots before? I had shots to give to everyone tonight. First one in line was my little nosey buck which we banded earlier today. When I gave him that shot you would have thought I had tried to kill him! He screamed and cried and started to tremble and went almost into a state of shock. He wouldn't respond to anything and not even him mommy who ran over to help him and checked him all over and he wouldn't even try to nurse. I was afraid I had went into the muscle or something and he was going to die! But after about 15 mins he came around. I checked on him and talked to him and was rubbing him when he finally came around. Poor fella! It broke my heart! I had read earlier that one could give the ivomec shots orally. So I took the needles out of the rest and stuck it down their throats!! That was a LOT better. None came back out the mouth or anything as I held them a couple mins afterwards but all was well.

Have any of you had that happen? I'm new to goats and use a pour on for my cattle so that's never a problem. Thanks!

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Old 03/14/05, 07:48 PM
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Ugg!!! I remember giving those...actually hubby had to do it. It was horrible to watch them react to the shots. The meds must burn pretty bad. Our goats would yell and fall over, run around the yard, moan like they were dieing....I just had to keep telling myself it was for their own good!

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I was wondering if any of you all have had any problems giving ivermectrin (Ivomec) shots before? I had shots to give to everyone tonight. First one in line was my little nosey buck which we banded earlier today. When I gave him that shot you would have thought I had tried to kill him! He screamed and cried and started to tremble and went almost into a state of shock. He wouldn't respond to anything and not even him mommy who ran over to help him and checked him all over and he wouldn't even try to nurse. I was afraid I had went into the muscle or something and he was going to die! But after about 15 mins he came around. I checked on him and talked to him and was rubbing him when he finally came around. Poor fella! It broke my heart! I had read earlier that one could give the ivomec shots orally. So I took the needles out of the rest and stuck it down their throats!! That was a LOT better. None came back out the mouth or anything as I held them a couple mins afterwards but all was well.

Have any of you had that happen? I'm new to goats and use a pour on for my cattle so that's never a problem. Thanks!


We use the ivomectrin injectable but it has been much less stress on our goats, horses, & dogs to just remove the needle and squirt it directly into the back of their mouth. the worst reaction we have had using this method it for one of the animals to make funny faces at us. Pour on should NOT be used on goats.
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Old 03/14/05, 08:11 PM
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I know it's awful but I'm glad it's happened to other goats too as I was just sure I had almost killed him!! He was screaming and running into stuff and falling around. I thought I hit some major nerve but I guess that's normal then. Oh what a relief! Yes I poured it down the others. Poor fella must think I just really don't like him. I banded him this morning and gave a tetnus shot and then tonight I try to kill him with the wormer shot.
Well thank you guys I feel so much better.

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Old 03/14/05, 10:26 PM
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Orally gets the stomach worms but for me, it has to be injected to kill lice that they get every fall because of deer. I have them have reactions, one doe fainted so I have to keep an eye on her. I do the cryers last so the others aren't tipped off. I rubb, rubb, rubb until they settle down before continuing to the next.

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Old 03/15/05, 08:50 AM
 
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Hi allenslabs,

Yes that is normal. I hate those shots and anyone who has given them hates them. When I use the Ivermectin injectable, I have to picture a goat suffering an overload of parasites to be able to fill a syringe.

Bob
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I was wondering if any of you all have had any problems giving ivermectrin (Ivomec) shots before? I had shots to give to everyone tonight. First one in line was my little nosey buck which we banded earlier today. When I gave him that shot you would have thought I had tried to kill him! He screamed and cried and started to tremble and went almost into a state of shock. He wouldn't respond to anything and not even him mommy who ran over to help him and checked him all over and he wouldn't even try to nurse. I was afraid I had went into the muscle or something and he was going to die! But after about 15 mins he came around. I checked on him and talked to him and was rubbing him when he finally came around. Poor fella! It broke my heart! I had read earlier that one could give the ivomec shots orally. So I took the needles out of the rest and stuck it down their throats!! That was a LOT better. None came back out the mouth or anything as I held them a couple mins afterwards but all was well.

Have any of you had that happen? I'm new to goats and use a pour on for my cattle so that's never a problem. Thanks!
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I've never given it as an injection. I'm glad I didn't. I was advised by a vet tech to give it orally. It got even the lice. I inspected for lice a week later and they were gone. What's the deal with the pour on, just to be curious. We use pour on cydectin on our cattle when the weather warms up enough for flies to start. That way the cattle grubs have had a chance to drop off the cattle first. My DH wants to know why we can't use it on the goats too.

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Was it possible that your little goat at an allergic reaction to the shot ?? Give the same medication to my goat via in shot form for years but did have our old billy have a reaction badly to it one time. Never gave that type again to him. The goats don't seem to mind the shots..give them some grain while I'm doing it and they are fine. The pour on kind I was told by the vet won't work on goats...so I wouldn't waste it that way. Of course, I can't remember the reason just the answer of No...

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Old 03/15/05, 02:30 PM
 
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Hi shorty'smom,

We have been advised that using pour-ons as pour-ons are very harmful to goats. The conversation with the vet is quite a few years ago, but I think that it can/does cause neurological problems. The warning was emphatic enough that I never really thought about trying it. We do use some of the pour-ons as drenches in goats though. Talk to your vet before using pour-ons on your goats.

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I've never given it as an injection. I'm glad I didn't. I was advised by a vet tech to give it orally. It got even the lice. I inspected for lice a week later and they were gone. What's the deal with the pour on, just to be curious. We use pour on cydectin on our cattle when the weather warms up enough for flies to start. That way the cattle grubs have had a chance to drop off the cattle first. My DH wants to know why we can't use it on the goats too.
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Old 03/15/05, 02:39 PM
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We do use Ivermectin 1% injectable at bottle dosages given injected for lice, mites and nose bots, but for stomach worms you want to give all womers orally to goats. Goats have very fast metabolisims, if you inject Ivermectin it speeds through the system so quickly that it doesn't have a chance to do a good job of stomach worming the goat. So give it orally, at twice the dose on the bottle, 2cc per 100 pounds.

Both Ivermectin pour on and Cydectin pouron are used orally in goats across the country, you use the label dosage. Best when asking vets about information about your goats or other 'off species' animals, if they have ever done any small ruminant after graduate studies, or at the very least have read any of the teaching universites (Texas A&M, Langston, UC Davis) studies on parasites in goats. What I have found is mostly watered down cow or sheep information being given by most vets, unless they have been taught otherwise by patients of theirs who have come to them with better information in the help of their own herd. Vicki

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Old 03/15/05, 06:42 PM
 
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Amen to that Vicki! The vet gave my little guy a shot of ivomec and it nearly killed him! I had to go home an dose him again. Now, we have a regular picnic where everyone enjoys ivomec sandwiches! :haha:

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Old 12/28/08, 04:16 PM
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Should the oral method begiven to pregnant does? She's due to birth the end of February.
Great info above.
thanks all!

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Old 12/28/08, 04:29 PM
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Always, unless specifically treating something like lice or mites. You pulled up a post from .05, the info has still not changed

No idea where you are located, or if you fecal to know what worms you are dealing with. I use Ivermectin Plus at 100 days pregnant for liver fluke and lung worms,,,then cydectin the day they kid. vicki

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