Help! Shots and Dewormer!

tduerson · #1 07/31/04, 10:01 PM

I am new to all of this Goat stuff. I have only had goats for about 2 months. I have became friends with a couple down the road from me that breed Boer's. They are very knowledgable about goats and other livestock. I had them come down today to trim hooves give shots and worm my 3 goats. The first shot was Convexin 8. I am confused about this because the guy said they all get the same amount regardless of size. I have 1 - 60lb Boer Doe and 2 - 15 lb Pygmy Doelings. I dont understand that a 15lb goat would get the same amount as a 60lb Goat. Is this right. Also the other shot was a Pneumonia Vaccine and he give the same on it as well. The wormer was called Dectomax. He used it as a Drench. Is this OK for my goats. My Goats have not acted right since he left. They are not in shock, but they just lay around and act like they do not feel good at all. Also one of my Pygmy's really acted bad when he give one of the shots. She hollard and is now limping on that leg. He give all of the shots just underneath their front legs. I thought maybe he hit a nerve. Please any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
Tina

BrushBuster · #2 07/31/04, 10:35 PM

i don't use the covenex myself, but my cd&t shots are all 2cc reguardless of thier wieght so it doesn't sound out of the ordinary. the wormer is fine as a drench and is given according to wieght. some medicines have a sting to them and will create a lump sometimes where the shot was given. i would think everything you described to be normal. if they don't seem normal in a day or so or get worse call the guy back over and have him take a look. not sure about the pneumonia vaccine, but if it was some form of penacillin, a dose of probiotic paste may help to restore the good bacteria in thier gut.

JAS · #3 07/31/04, 10:41 PM

Don't know if this will help, I got it off of a yahoo goat group:

"Terry Hutchens, the University of Kentucky Goat Specialist, gave a talk at a local goat association meeting this week and spent some time on parasites ... he said a couple of things that I found very interesting and thought I should pass along:

- MOST dewormers (not all) are fairly safe and can be used (if needed) at 5-7 times recommended dosage

- ALL dewormers should be given orally since it is more effective (I specifically asked about subcutaneous injections and he recommended against them and indicated his reason was that it took much longer for the effective ingredient to reach the parasite over a longer period of time and therefore was not as effective as oral)

- Cydectin was the most effective wormer but, therefore, should not be used on a regular basis but reserved for the most difficult cases to avoid resistance ... if Cydectin won't work, you will probably be in trouble

- you can increase the effectiveness of any dewormer by slowing down the digestive system of a goat to allow more time for the effective medicine to be in contact with the parasites ... he recommended that one way to do this was to enforce a fast for 24 hours before deworming and then for 8 hours afterwards (make water available though)"

Being new to goats also I thought this was very helpful for the future.

tduerson · #4 08/01/04, 12:35 PM

Thanks for your help and reply. I am feeling better about all of this vaccine and wormer stuff. All 3 of my goats are feeling better today. They still are not themselves though. They will be fine. All of this stuff is so confusing. There is so much to learn. I am constantly doing research on the internet and buying books as well as asking Breeders. I am trying to take care of my Babies in the best way. I hope they will live long happy lives here with me their Mom.
Thanks Again
Tina

CJ · #5 08/01/04, 02:59 PM

Dectomax is for coccidiosis, it's not a wormer.

tduerson · #6 08/01/04, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CJ

Dectomax is for coccidiosis, it's not a wormer.

Yes! Dectomax is a wormer. I might not know much since I am still learning, but I know it is a Pour On Wormer for Cattle, there is also a Injectable Dectomax wormer for Cattle. It takes care of all kinds of worms, lice and even mange. It can be used as a drench for Goats.

CJ · #7 08/01/04, 05:22 PM

Oops... I guess I'm still learning too, LOL I thought it was for cocci treatment. I use Covexin 8 for my C&DT, Di-Methox for cocci treatment, and I rotate Valbazon and Ivermectin for worming.

tduerson · #8 08/01/04, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CJ

Oops... I guess I'm still learning too, LOL I thought it was for cocci treatment. I use Covexin 8 for my C&DT, Di-Methox for cocci treatment, and I rotate Valbazon and Ivermectin for worming.

That is OK, we are all learning. I think a 20 year goat breeder veterian still learns things. Things change evreyday. I was told to use Valbazon to rotate. Oh, also I am under the impression that Dectomax is the best thing to use for Lung Worms.
Tina

CJ · #9 08/01/04, 07:24 PM

I was mixing Decto max up with Decox M. They all sound so alike! Good thing I have the right stuff in my cabinet, lol