How to tell if my buck is going to have a *B?

Nubians · #1 11/29/14, 02:19 PM

Funny thing happened today. I was going over my new Nubian buck's pedigree and realized that his sire has a *B and his dam has a 1*M. For some reason I though they did not have either, hmm... It made my day!

What I want to know is will my buck have a star when I register him?

Thanks

billinwv · #2 11/29/14, 03:45 PM

I think he will only get a star if his daughters are on official milk test and are good producers.

**mygoat** · #3 11/29/14, 03:45 PM

ADGA has a lot of documents on their site, as well as in the member handbook.

Go to ADGA.org, and on the left find the ADGA Q&A's. Then go to Production Awards.

If you have the ADGA member handbook, it lists out all the requirements for all the production awards. I always learn something new when I pick it up.

Doug Hodges · #4 11/30/14, 11:04 AM

Ok. So I bred a *B to a SG 8*M. What do I get?

http://www.spottednubian.com/index.html

**mygoat** · #5 11/30/14, 11:53 AM

... did you read on ADGA?

From their FAQ:

http://www.adga.org/index.php?option...9:ar&Itemid=86

Quote:

*B's are awarded by having qualifying production records from both of the parents. The sire needs to be a * B or +B or the sire's dam needs to have a ST award or an AR award for both milk and butterfat. In addition, the dam needs to have a ST award or an AR award for both milk and butterfat. (Other qualifications listed in guidebook)

And here is the guidebook: http://www.adga.org/pages_adga/guidebook/GB_2014.pdf

Nubians · #6 11/30/14, 12:22 PM

Yep, I read the ADGA FAQ.
So apparently he will have his *B!! YAHOO

Doug Hodges · #7 11/30/14, 06:34 PM

I read it too. It didn't answer my question.

http://www.spottednubian.com/index.html

Nubians · #8 11/30/14, 07:39 PM

Doug,
If you are talking about bucks, then you will only get a *B. That is all you can get from the parents even if she has 8*M. I don't believe a buck can have more than one star. I know they can have 2 ++ based on progeny.
As far as if you are talking about does, I am not sure on that one. Perhaps the doe baby would be 8*M?

**mygoat** · #9 11/30/14, 09:16 PM

As it states, your bucklings would be automatic *B's. Does do not get awarded automatic stars unless a few of THEIR daughters get on the AR and are awarded their stars to my understanding. Generally they earn their production designations by being on production test, however.

Doug Hodges · #10 12/02/14, 05:49 AM

So much to learn. Do the bucklings have to be out of an SG doe or what? I can't imagine getting the B* out of just any PB doe.

http://www.spottednubian.com/index.html

marusempai · #11 12/02/14, 06:31 AM

From what I understand the doe has to have earned her milk star. So having a *(whatever) on each parent means the buck baby automatically gets a *B.

What I'm having a hard time figuring out are, what are the requirements to get the *M? Like how many pounds of milk? How many units protein/fat? What time period? I think it's a point system, but I can't find anywhere how points are awarded. :P

Doug Hodges · #12 12/02/14, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marusempai

From what I understand the doe has to have earned her milk star. So having a *(whatever) on each parent means the buck baby automatically gets a *B.

What I'm having a hard time figuring out are, what are the requirements to get the *M? Like how many pounds of milk? How many units protein/fat? What time period? I think it's a point system, but I can't find anywhere how points are awarded. :P

I did find the point system. I'll see if I can find it.

Doug Hodges · #13 12/02/14, 08:22 AM

How are the points calculated at a ONE DAY MILKING COMPETITION? Print E-mail

Points shall be given for quantity of milk, for period of time since last kidding, and for butterfat as follows:

a. For each pound of milk, one point figured to 1decimal place.

b. For each complete ten days the goat has been in milk since last kidding one-tenth (.1) of a point, with a maximum of 3.6 points for standard

breeds and .04 of a point with a maximum of 1.44 points for miniature breeds.

c. For each .05 pounds (.023 kg) of butterfat yielded in the milkings, one point.

d. Any ADGA registered or recorded standard breed goat that receives 18 or more points and any ADGA registered miniature breed goat that receives 7 or more points and meeting height requirements will be awarded an automatic *M designation without application or fee.

marusempai · #14 12/02/14, 08:52 AM

So the *M is only awarded based on a single day milking? I thought there was a way to get it based on DHI records for the lactation over all too? Because the one day milking thing seems to be something you have to show up somewhere with your goat, like a show. I'm interested in DHI and would like my ladies to get milk stars, but a big draw is it's a thing I can do without taking my goats anywhere...

**mygoat** · #15 12/02/14, 09:25 AM

No, look in handbook I posted and find the requirements for advances registry... those are the milk, prot, and fat production requirements for earning a *M on a recognized DHIR test plan. They're pretty lax requirements.

**mygoat** · #16 12/02/14, 09:26 AM

I'm on test plan ITP02. There's also owner sampler which is easy but you can't have top 10 does... I may switch to that this year.

marusempai · #17 12/02/14, 09:49 AM

Oh thank you! I didn't understand that advanced registry and milk star were (sort of) the same thing. Too much information all at once!

**mygoat** · #18 12/02/14, 10:21 AM

I hope that's how it works because thats what impression I have, lol. :P (hoping someone comes in here to confirm or deny and clarify, haha)

Waiting Falcon · #19 12/02/14, 10:48 AM

It used to be 1500 lbs of milk in 305 days to get a start......... I do not know if
that has changed or not.

Frosted Mini's · #20 12/02/14, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Hodges

How are the points calculated at a ONE DAY MILKING COMPETITION? Print E-mail

Points shall be given for quantity of milk, for period of time since last kidding, and for butterfat as follows:

a. For each pound of milk, one point figured to 1decimal place.

b. For each complete ten days the goat has been in milk since last kidding one-tenth (.1) of a point, with a maximum of 3.6 points for standard

breeds and .04 of a point with a maximum of 1.44 points for miniature breeds.

c. For each .05 pounds (.023 kg) of butterfat yielded in the milkings, one point.

d. Any ADGA registered or recorded standard breed goat that receives 18 or more points and any ADGA registered miniature breed goat that receives 7 or more points and meeting height requirements will be awarded an automatic *M designation without application or fee.

This is how you earn a milk star at a one day test. For full DHIA (AR) awards, you have to meet the requirements that are listed in the guidebook (they have a chart for age and miniature or standard breed). Your doe can earn a star on any one of the components, so if she just makes enough for pounds of milk, or pounds of protein, or pounds of butterfat, she gets the star. There are also some requirements based on the type of test plan you are using. Owner-sampler needs a verification test to earn a star and I think there are so many tests you have to do to make it.