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Old 09/08/14, 07:18 PM
 
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Hello, faithful and masterful goat forum posters!

I am embarking on my first attempt at breeding goats. I have roughly 1.5 year old alpine/nubian does, a 3 year old nigerian dwarf wether, and a 5 month old nubian buckling. My schedule is crazy already due to a new job and my wife is expecting our very first human baby sometime this week, so I know for a fact I will not be able to time the breeding. That said, I decided to put all of the goats in together on September 1st with an expectation that I will keep them there for a couple of months and hope that the deed gets done. I'm not too worried about timing it exactly because I highly doubt I will be home when they give birth anyway as I am often away from the homestead for 12+ hours a day including the weekends.

I'm curious if a 5 month old will really breed a 1.5 year old? I would say he is about 40% of their size. They also don't really seem to like him very much and spend more time chasing him away than they do interacting with him. Since he has been in the pen he and the wether sort of hang around the girls, but at a distance. Are they actually going to let him breed them? Anyone have any experience with this?
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Old 09/08/14, 07:43 PM
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He may be able to, he may not. Depends on how growthy he is for his age. Sounds like he's not quite ready to push his weight around as a buck yet. At 5 mon, he is a bit young and ought to be right around 60lbs. Height wise, if he's willing, you'd be suprised what they can achieve, lol. My current Alpine March buck was right around 100lbs at right around 5 months according to weight tape - he's a big'un. His sister was over 70lbs with bathroom scale and weight tape. I couldn't lift the buckling, though. :P I feed them durned good because I needed to use that buckling this year and I *hate* dry yearlings so his sister is going to get bred.

Even if you know you can't be present to watch kiddings, knowing a duedate is indispensable when you are trying to manage the does well. Knowing when they need an increase of concentrates, when to vaccinate, etc all influences your ability to be successful. Being due sometime in February at the earliest, I'd suggest penning due does inside as well while you're away and setting up heat lamps (which scare me for barn fires); Kidding in February without attendance may mean lowered chance of kid survival especially with multiples. Usually if someone cannot attend births, I STRONGLY suggest they kid their does out in May instead of Midwinter... Even if things go well, kids are at a high likelihood of chilling in the cold temps we often have - they're born wet and twins only have one mom to dry them. Sometimes it's just not fast enough, even a good mom. I knew with my triplets and quads born in Early march to good, experienced boer does, I was trying to get them dry FAST in March - And the last time I was doing that it was pretty warm; In the cold years It's not fun drying twins fast, lol. I'm out in the barn several times a day checking kids during their first week of life, as that is the high risk period in their lives - I'm out there checking dam raised as often as I'm feeding the bottle kids. I kid out early March though, I'd expect far less management needed for warmer-born kids. Most shepherds that raise pasture-lamb their sheep aim for May lambs, otherwise success is low even for pasture-lamb raising.
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Old 09/08/14, 08:45 PM
 
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Thanks mygoat. Your thoughts and advice are always indispensable. I am hoping that he will breed them sometime this fall.
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Old 09/08/14, 09:32 PM
 
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I'm curious if a 5 month old will really breed a 1.5 year old? I would say he is about 40% of their size. They also don't really seem to like him very much and spend more time chasing him away than they do interacting with him. Since he has been in the pen he and the wether sort of hang around the girls, but at a distance. Are they actually going to let him breed them? Anyone have any experience with this?
It will depend on the buck to a degree but, yes, a 5 month old buckling is absolutely capable of breeding a 1 1/2 year old doe! Or a 4 year old doe for that matter, and I've got the kids to prove it! Once they start to come in heat, it's pretty amazing how fast they will warm up to him.
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Old 09/08/14, 09:38 PM
 
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I'm curious if a 5 month old will really breed a 1.5 year old? I would say he is about 40% of their size. They also don't really seem to like him very much and spend more time chasing him away than they do interacting with him. Since he has been in the pen he and the wether sort of hang around the girls, but at a distance. Are they actually going to let him breed them? Anyone have any experience with this?
It will depend on the buck to a degree but, yes, a 5 month old buckling is absolutely capable of breeding a 1 1/2 year old doe! Or a 4 year old doe for that matter, and I've got the kids to prove it! Once they start to come in heat, it's pretty amazing how fast they will warm up to him.
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First of all... congrats on the soon-to-be new baby! And I'm with MyGoat with the kidding. No need to rush. If you wait to breed a little later in the fall. The buckling will be ready. And you'll appreciate the warmer weather for a first kidding season. There's enough to take in without having to worry about weather. For now tackle the new parent sleep deprivation before the nightly pregnant-goat barn checks begin!
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Old 09/09/14, 08:27 AM
 
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Our youngest buck was a Pygmy who was breeding a BIG Amberwood Nubian doe...he was about 6 months old and she was 3 years (we were raising Kinders). It was hilarious but also URGENT since he only had a short window of opportunity. After watching him try and try we decided to step in a build a "lift" for him...too late! However, the next month one of the other Nubians (only 11 months old - but still a BIG girl) came into heat and he bred her with no problem and no help. I think he just figured it out.. I know he didn't grow any. Amazing what they can accomplish with a little practice.
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