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06/29/14, 08:54 AM
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My best milker ate Jimsome weed....
Lilly is a lover and connoisseur of all new things. We missed a tiny little Jimsomeweed that was growing in the middle of a squash plant in the compost pile. Lilly ate it right in front of me. I ran for the charcoal and gave her a huge heaping helping of it. She was a loopy goat last night and high as a kite. Uggg.  She is fine this morning. How long do you think I should throw away her milk before it is safe to consume again? This ongoing issue of Jimsonweed weed is a thorn in my side the neighbor across the street has an entire field of them growing and never bush hogs. It is terrible. We get the stray seeds I guess from birds? I pluck them out of the ground as soon as I see them. Two of my goats love them. They have both consumed them now. I am so frustrated as I deal with this starting in May all the way thru the first frost. I hate that plant.
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06/29/14, 09:00 AM
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I'd discard for 24 hours (guessing!), but I really have no clue if the chemical in question comes through the milk.
For newbies, this plant is also called Datura. It is sold as a landscape plant, too.
Here's the poison control sheet:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002881.htm
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06/29/14, 09:41 AM
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Oh my gosh I had no idea people actually bought it for landscaping!~ It is a horrible plant. Stinks and just smells toxic. Ick. The flowers are pretty but not enough to put in my landscaping. ick.
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06/29/14, 10:20 AM
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It can take up to 11 days to clear from the bloodstream, depending on amount ingested. (This from an historical account of people who accidentally ingested a large quantity.) The charcoal should help clear it faster. The fact that she seems normal this morning indicates she is clearing it pretty fast. I would still put the milk on the compost for 3-4 days. The active portion of the poison readily crosses into the milk.
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06/29/14, 10:23 AM
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I'm *SO* glad you caught Lily's indiscretion immediately!
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06/29/14, 10:31 AM
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Two things about jimsonweed . First I read somewhere it is one of the only plants that clean radio active soil. Kind of interesting.
Second, some 30 years ago or so we had this drug eater in the county jail. Somehow he managed to reach a jimsonweed outside his window and eat it to get hi! I can't remember if he lived or not but it was iffy for a few days.
I can't believe you were able to keep charcoal down your goat. It's almost impossible for people to do, or at least me, but you have to learn how to for emergency's .
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06/29/14, 01:54 PM
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06/29/14, 04:48 PM
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Now I'm curious. I don't even know what it looks like but can't imagine it being used for landscaping as my only experience with it has been taking care of psychotic teenagers in the ER after they purposely ingested it!
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06/29/14, 04:58 PM
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Wow, moon flowers and angel trumpets are in the same family! And the same toxins found in the plant are used medicinally (manufactured in a safe pharmaceutical setting of course). I learned something new, again!
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06/29/14, 07:04 PM
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One of the members here nearly lost her son. He and his buddies were teens, heard they could get high on jimson, and ate some.
Her son survived. His friends died. 
That stuff is wicked bad.
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06/29/14, 07:31 PM
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It is in the same family as potatoes and tomatoes.
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07/01/14, 09:28 AM
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Yep keep charcoal on hand for the four legged critters and the two legged ones! I make it in to a liquid and drench it. She didn't have much choice in the matter. I hate Jimsomeweed. Just the smell from pulling it out of the ground turns my stomach a little. It just screams stay away from me! Stupid Lilly is an idiot and has to try everything. Thankfully I do not think she got more than a small leaf or two.
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07/01/14, 09:56 AM
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In a pinch, you can use charcoal - not the briquets, but the real hardwood stuff.
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07/02/14, 07:29 AM
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You can also get the gel caps in a pharmacy and use a bolus gun...that can be less messy if you have a goat that tries to spit stuff out.
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07/02/14, 03:47 PM
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Hey thanks for the pictures. I have heard of this plant, and that kids liked to get high with it. And in all these years I didn't know what it looked like! LOL I was a bit surprised to realize that we have been stepping around and jumping over it when we have been out quail hunting in the sand hills! Hope that Miss Lily has learned her lesson and will leave it alone from now on!
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If needed, I mix charcoal with oil and give it by drencher/or needleless syringe. The goat doesn't have a say. It can get messy with some goats, but the oil spreads it through the gut more rapidly than water or capsules.
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07/04/14, 01:52 AM
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Huh. Don't tell my goats that they aren't allowed to eat that. We have very thick stands of the stuff everywhere on our property. I'm dumbfounded whenever I see the adult goats bite of the green seed pods that are nothing but spines and spikes.I guess they can't be to poisonous as I have never lost a goat to them eating the weed. I am glad that every yr I have fewer and fewer of them sprouting. I think brush hogging helps. I don't think I would drink the milk from them though. Glad I have only meat goats now!
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