Got test results back today CL, CAE, Johnnes

CAjerseychick · #1 04/25/14, 10:34 PM

Soooooo Mixed(?)--

the dairy goats negative for all three (no brainer, the first freshner had been tested negative last yr, and the 2 six months came from the same closed herd)- Yay clean Oberhasli's...

Now the bad news- the other 3 - the 2 mix goats (no actual test visualized but the dams were the owner's first goats, and she said the tests were negative...but they had picked up a goat by the side of the road recently a really friendly Nubian, it was our very first goat purchases- the kids of these goats - what did we know?
These 2 nigie- togg crosses are Positive for CAE, negative for CL, Johnnes and appear completely healthy.
They also dont appear to be pregnant.

(CAE is less likely to be passed on herd member to herd member right? the does and one (neg for all 3) wether are all together in a 1 acre pasture)...

And last our little 7month old buckling(registered Nigerian dwarf, blue eyed). He got an abscess a couple weeks ago which led to the testing. He is Negative for CL, Johnnes (but will be retested in 2 weeks for CL to make sure, also he will be exactly 8months old then which I hear is the earliest for reliable testing)...

He is Positive for CAE. now I have heard elsewhere on this Forum someone's CAE positive buck passed the virus onto their herd (I wonder if maybe this is why the 2 mini Toggs are positive for CAE despite coming from tested does) the other does are standard sized Oberhasli's.... (more of a size differential, although the yearling oberhasli is the one that looks pregnant to me her girth has greatly expanded and according to my calendar she could be 3 months along)...

We dont really have the set up to keep 2 mini herds of three (one clean and one positive for CAE- but relieved its not something that is maintained in the environment, like CL is)...

Tests were done at the state lab(CAHFS) and elisa was used for the 2 that could be elisa....

Ideas anyone?

Doug Hodges · #2 04/25/14, 10:42 PM

1)Sell them to someone who will deal with the CAE.

2)Deal with them yourself.

3)Eat them.

I did #1 after several months of #2

(That sounds like an intestinal problem)

CAjerseychick · #3 04/25/14, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Hodges

1)Sell them to someone who will deal with the CAE.

2)Deal with them yourself.

3)Eat them.

I did #1 after several months of #2

(That sounds like an intestinal problem)

Ha ha Doug!

I am thinking of selling them. DO you put it in the ad? Or do you tell the people who call over the phone? I was thinking Ads at the feed stores or CL...

GoldenWood Farm · #4 04/25/14, 11:35 PM

I would do as Doug said or send them for meat. I would be upfront about the CAE because people need to know what they might be bringing in or dealing with.

I am so sorry those three tested positive

. I am thankful they are clean on CL and Johnes though, that stuff in my opinion is MUCH worse than CAE. CAE doesn't stay in the ground for years.

Justine

Doug Hodges · #5 04/26/14, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CAjerseychick

Ha ha Doug!

I am thinking of selling them. DO you put it in the ad? Or do you tell the people who call over the phone? I was thinking Ads at the feed stores or CL...

I post it in the original ad. Of course I took a big loss on the one I sold. The girl that has her is very very happy to have her and is planning on practicing CAE prevention.

Cyngbaeld · #6 04/26/14, 04:33 AM

Talk to the person you got the goats from. She needs to know the goats are positive, even if she doesn't do the RIGHT thing and buy them back from you.

Several yrs ago, I purchased a buck from a vet who raises goats. She told me she had started all over with fresh stock because a CAE positive buck shared the disease with her does.

Alice In TX/MO · #7 04/26/14, 07:27 AM

Sell them for meat. Sorry.

Tango · #8 04/26/14, 07:31 AM

Sorry

**mygoat** · #9 04/26/14, 08:32 AM

I've known several people who have kept CAE positive animals, bucks and does, without the disease spreading. It's not fun to manage but it can be done. Wether or not you want to manage it, is up to you. If selling, of course advertise that they are CAE positive. Personally, I wouldn't rehome them anywhere but a meat auction because you never know how responsibly the new owner will manage the disease.

As for the abscess, I would not consider him negative. A history of suspicious abscesses is MUCH more valid than a blood tests for CL by far! Personally, I'd cull the buck as well, tough as it may be - without a culture of abscess contents, I'd consider him likely to be positive even with a negative blood test. Two is more definitive than one, but I still advise isolation and extreme caution if you're willing to risk it.

CAjerseychick · #10 04/26/14, 03:05 PM

Thx all.
I am putting together the ad, am listing them as pet or weed goats but that they may be pregnant and kids need to be pulled at birth d/t CAE.

Need to ad a photo.

Thats a good idea about contacting the original owners (the dams or buck had to have been positive right? - and in these 3 the owners owned both dams and the buck)...

Not sure about a meat auction, have no idea how to do that....ALthough I guess I could ask around. I have been thinking of sending them to a local butcher (need to find one) and using the poor things as dog food.
(someone keeps advertizing needing free weedeating goats for her 30 acres, and am guessing she hasnt been testing her "free " goats... so wouldnt that be an option?

And yeah buckling is still in isolation, vet is going to do a repeat test for CL (wonder if she can also sample the scab at this point)....

Alice In TX/MO · #11 04/26/14, 05:58 PM

Someone looking for weedeater goats probably won't care about CAE.

light rain · #12 04/26/14, 06:48 PM

These goats have been housed and cared for well. Does someone that buys weed eater goats take care of them as well? I don't have goats anymore. CAE was awful in their older years. I would probably give them a good meal, a hug goodbye and butcher them, as painlessly as possible. I am sorry for you.

CAjerseychick · #13 04/27/14, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by light rain

These goats have been housed and cared for well. Does someone that buys weed eater goats take care of them as well? I don't have goats anymore. CAE was awful in their older years. I would probably give them a good meal, a hug goodbye and butcher them, as painlessly as possible. I am sorry for you.

thx Lightrain, thats is why I dont wanna send them to auction, they dont deserve that.

I have no slaughter contacts, although there is an acquaintance (father of child's friend) who probably would shoot them for me, then I could take them to the butcher....
(we are a meat loving family with 300lbs of dogs to feed )....

Oh who knew this would need to be part of my knowledge base as a goat owner...

That might be best...

Frosted Mini's · #14 04/27/14, 05:06 PM

I think just about everyone that raises goats will have some that need to go for meat eventually. Sorry about the testing results, though, what a bummer.