Doe not recovering from bloat

Awnry Abe · #1 04/01/14, 05:59 PM

On Saturday, I had the dairy herd escape and get into our chicken coop. I keep large a large volume of layer crumble in their "bottomless" feeder, and the goats pigged out. Mostly we just had some with the runs, but one had very serious bloat on Sunday morning. We got the bloat under control pretty quick, got her temp back up to 101.5 by mid day, and had her slightly interested in nibbling on hay. Yesterday morning, her temp was back down around 99. We gave 10cc C&D antitoxin in the AM, and by the afternoon her temp was back where it belongs, still off feed. This morning, it has been a repeat of symptoms and treatment, but she is clearly feeling off--hunched, sick looking. I haven't taken her temp this evening yet, but she was out walking around with her clan when I came home. She looked like she is still just nibbling, not really back on course, and still a little off. I'll be heading out with some electrolytes and drenching gun here shortly.

Any other recommendations?

Alice In TX/MO · #2 04/01/14, 06:03 PM

from fiascofarm.com

Treatment:
Administer orally 1/4 - 1/3 cup of vegetable/peanut oil.
The oil breaks the tension of the bubbles in the stomach/fermentation vat, so they can then pop and the gas expelled.
Do not use mineral oil. Because mineral oil is tasteless, the goat may not know to swallow and the mineral oil could get into their lungs.
Massage goats sides, especially the left side (rumen) until the goat begins to burp and fart.

GoldenWood Farm · #3 04/01/14, 06:05 PM

Baking soda, Probios and a Vit. B Complex shot plus I wouldn't feed her anything rich for the next few days and just give her some hay to nibble on.

When you say repeat of symptoms what where they? Did her belly get real big and hard? I had a doe who bloated on me yesterday (a bunch of new fresh grass) and I got a bunch of baking soda down her with 30cc's corn oil and today you wouldn't know anything is wrong with her. If your doe's belly is hard and bloated again I would give her some corn oil as well as the baking soda and probios. I am trying to remember but last year I believe I even dosed a pregnant doe with some Pepto after everything just to help her stomach settle (it did help a lot).

Justine

Awnry Abe · #4 04/01/14, 08:11 PM

No, the bloat didn't repeat. The canola oil did the trick in about an hour's time. The symptoms that are repeating are low temps in the morning & no appetite at any time. Evening temp was fine. She got electrolytes & B complex regardless..

Alice In TX/MO · #5 04/01/14, 08:14 PM

I'd steal a cud from a healthier goat and poke it down her throat.

GoldenWood Farm · #6 04/01/14, 08:15 PM

I would still get some baking soda and Probiotics down her. How low is her temp in the morning? My does are colder in the morning so if I get a temp of 101 I am fine with that.

Her stomach has been thrown off so not having much of an appetite I would expect. Does she chew her cud that you can see?

Justine

wintrrwolf · #7 04/01/14, 08:51 PM

MOM? When I was dealing with toxin one of the things I read was to actually encourage diarrhea for a few days to help flush the toxins out. Milk Of Magnesia was recommended...

Awnry Abe · #8 04/01/14, 09:16 PM

We were a bit encouraged today to see that she had diarrhea. Morning temp this am was 98.5. I think I can get her chart headed in the right direction if I can get her rumen clicking again. She must have eaten something today. She was chewing CID tonight. But still all scrunched and miserable looking.

Backfourty,MI. · #9 04/02/14, 09:35 PM

When I've had bloat with one of my goats pretty bad last summer my vet had me give 1/4 c. of oil & 1/4 baking soda. That gave him diarrhea which we knew the oil would.
She said I could do this twice the 1st day & repeat the next morning if needed. He is a Big wether.
Also the following day to give him Pepto Bismol or kaopectolin because that would soothe his stomach because he would have a stomach ache.

That worked for me. I do agree with the probios paste or a stolen cud helping but also I think some pepto bismol would help her too.
I ended up giving him oil & baking soda(mixed with a little water to make at least 1/4 cup) twice & that worked along with the Pepto.

My vet for an adult goat also in the past said C & D Antitoxin is 20cc for an adult & 10cc for a kid or young goat. Not that I think the 10cc you gave wasn't enough just thought I'd mention that in case one ever eats anything poisonous, etc. & you have to use it again.

Frosted Mini's · #10 04/02/14, 11:42 PM

Are you sure your thermometer is working right? That is a pretty low temperature.

Awnry Abe · #11 04/04/14, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosted Mini's

Are you sure your thermometer is working right? That is a pretty low temperature.

I think so, but it is a good question. It is a quick-read, and sometimes it jumps to conclusions. Anytime I get a low reading, I always do a do-over. It was consistent twice. Even if a little off, she was in pretty dire straits.

Matters not anymore. She is getting back to her old self. Back on hay/browse, milk production is coming back, head butting other goats, etc. I can tell she still isn't 100%, but we are encouraged.

By the way, I'd like to remind everyone to check their C&D anti-toxin supply. It seems like the whole world of on-line pharmacy and our farm store is out of stock. I've got enough for 1 emergency.

Suzyq2u · #12 04/05/14, 08:10 AM

Glad she's doing better!