Oreo is just not right.....and I am sick about it.

TeenyTinyFarm · #1 03/27/14, 07:29 PM

I have read and read and read. I am sure Alice is right about the BoSe (I have a call into the vet), but I think maybe copper deficiency as well. I have gone through every goat illness and nothing seems to fit. He has been dewormed, had his first round of cocci prevention, pees and poops normally, eats hay, eats goat chow (though not much yet), he bottle feeds ok. We are up to six ounces 5 times a day. I realize at 7 to 8 weeks it should be more but his tummy gets so huge on 6 (I think he gulps air) that I am afraid to feed him any more. He has a lousy latch and suckle. (Selenium?) He just doesn't seem to be putting any fat or muscle on his bones. He seems to have trouble regulating his body temp. I was a nice day outside so we put the kids out in the paddock with the hopes they could spend the night. Oreo started shivering at his 5:00 bottle so I brought him back on the sun porch under the heat lamp. Checked his temp and it was 101. I listened to his lungs with my stethoscope and they are clear. He just reminds me of Eeyore. Droopy, doesn't get perky and excited much. He's just not thriving. Here's a video of him about 15 minutes after feeding tonight.
http://youtu.be/rystqcHu2fEI don't know if I am posting this for advice or just a shoulder to cry on. I don't think I could take losing another goat so soon

Alice In TX/MO · #2 03/27/14, 07:55 PM

He looks quite thoughtful.

GoldenWood Farm · #3 03/27/14, 08:06 PM

Have you listened to his heart?

GoldenWood Farm · #4 03/27/14, 08:07 PM

I am so sorry you are having these issues

. Praying for you and Oreo.

Justine

TeenyTinyFarm · #5 03/27/14, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenWood Farm

Have you listened to his heart?

Yes, I have listened to his heart. Sounds the same as Millie's. Though I am sure I do not have the skill to detect something like a murmur.

GoldenWood Farm · #6 03/27/14, 08:18 PM

Well with my girl I could just feel that her heart was off. I don't know what to say about your little guy. But something is off with him

.

Justine

TeenyTinyFarm · #7 03/27/14, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

He looks quite thoughtful.

So long as he's not thinking about flopping over and dying!

Am I just on edge after losing big Millie? Overly paranoid?

GoldenWood Farm · #8 03/27/14, 08:24 PM

No if he was. my kid I would be worried too

Clovers_Clan · #9 03/27/14, 08:38 PM

The way he is standing camped up, tail tucked under, it sure looks like some digestive upset. If he were mine I'd take him off the goat chow completely and give probios to correct any acidosis. Depending on what he's getting for cocci, may be hard on his stomach. Have you tried changing nipples? Also, be sure the bottle is tipped up at a sharp angle, it could be the milk is going to the wrong part of his stomach. Whoever posted about the esophogeal grove and milk digestion please repost. I can't remember at what age that was important.

I think you're right to be concerned, he does look off.

harvestmoonfarm · #10 03/27/14, 08:49 PM

He needs BoSE or selenium gel ASAP, and I agree with getting him off the goat chow. Hope he heals soon.

GoldenWood Farm · #11 03/27/14, 09:37 PM

OH! Get some Vit. E gel capsules and squirt one of those in his mouth as wellm

TeenyTinyFarm · #12 03/27/14, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovers_Clan

The way he is standing camped up, tail tucked under, it sure looks like some digestive upset. If he were mine I'd take him off the goat chow completely and give probios to correct any acidosis. Depending on what he's getting for cocci, may be hard on his stomach. Have you tried changing nipples? Also, be sure the bottle is tipped up at a sharp angle, it could be the milk is going to the wrong part of his stomach. Whoever posted about the esophogeal grove and milk digestion please repost. I can't remember at what age that was important.

I think you're right to be concerned, he does look off.

I am using a Pritchard nipple. He wouldn't take a baby bottle nipple or the black rubber type. But he frequently chews on it. I have noticed that his belly fills up at the top where his rumen is, whereas the doe I have, feels full from below in her rennet. I have suspected milk was going to the wrong place, but since he also seemed to swallow lots of air, I thought maybe he was just filling up with that. Also, he almost always runs over to nibble hay after a bottle which I thought was odd, but maybe that was something he did if his rumen was indeed full of milk.

The round of cocci prevention was corid (easiest, fastest thing I could get my hands on) and was finished on the 22nd of March. He appeared to handle it quite well. I didn't notice any changes in him the 5 days he was on it.

I'll go give him probios right now. Please send me suggestions on how to correct his feeding issues.

Thanks!

harvestmoonfarm · #13 03/27/14, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenyTinyFarm

The round of cocci prevention was corid (easiest, fastest thing I could get my hands on) and was finished on the 22nd of March. He appeared to handle it quite well. I didn't notice any changes in him the 5 days he was on it.

I'll go give him probios right now. Please send me suggestions on how to correct his feeding issues.

Thanks!

Corid strips them of thiamine, so you may need to give him some fortified B injections. Don't be worried about overdosing vitamin B; it's water soluble, so he'll just pee out any extra.

onebizebee · #14 03/27/14, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by harvestmoonfarm

Corid strips them of thiamine, so you may need to give him some fortified B injections. Don't be worried about overdosing vitamin B; it's water soluble, so he'll just pee out any extra.

This is very important!

harvestmoonfarm · #15 03/27/14, 10:50 PM

It would be even better if you can get a bottle of thiamine from your vet and inject him. The fortified B contains thiamine, but straight B1 (thiamine) is better. I had a doe come down with polio last year - NOT fun! The shots hurt, so be prepared for him to yell and/or drop to the ground, but they're important and can save his life.

TeenyTinyFarm · #16 03/27/14, 10:58 PM

From what I have read corid depletes the thiamin in the coccidiosis, not the goat, unless you are overdosing. I was very careful to weigh the goats and measure out the .8 grams required dosage.

harvestmoonfarm · #17 03/27/14, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenyTinyFarm

From what I have read corid depletes the thiamin in the coccidiosis, not the goat, unless you are overdosing. I was very careful to weigh the goats and measure out the .8 grams required dosage.

It also strips thiamine from the goats being treated (straight from my vet last year when I started treating kids), because its effectiveness is due to thiamine suppression, which is what the coccidia need to survive.

harvestmoonfarm · #18 03/28/14, 12:14 AM

I was finally able to watch the video. That kid needs vitamin E at the least, but BoSE would be even better. If you don't do something for him soon, I fear you'll lose him. I had the same thing with a doeling last year (she looked just like he does in the video). Within hours of treatment, she was acting just like everyone else - happy and healthy.

GoldenWood Farm · #19 03/28/14, 01:48 AM

Harvestmoonfarm I would give BOSE along with the Vit E. His symptoms almost remind me of white muscle disease.

Justine

Alice In TX/MO · #20 03/28/14, 02:36 AM

I'm on the Corid affecting the coccidia, not the goat, side of the debate. I've never given any kids thiamine. However, I do not use Corid anymore. I use Baycox.

http://www.sheepandgoat.com/articles...iosis2011.html
When coccidia ingest Corid®, they experience a thiamine deficiency and die from malnourishment Though RARE, polioencephalomalacia (thiamine deficiency) has been reported as a side effect of treatment with amprolium.