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Sue Reith article on Hypocalcemia/Milk Fever/Ketosis

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HYPOCALCEMIA IN LATE-GESTATION (and lactating) DOES:
Feeding to Prevent it
By Sue Reith (1/5/07 update)

Hypocalcemia is a life-threatening condition that shows up when a doe is either pregnant or lactating, but getting fed an unbalanced diet that doesn’t provide her with enough calcium for both herself and her growing fetuses or for milk production. It can appear at any time during the last 2 months of pregnancy, right up to the doe's due date, as well as at any time while she’s lactating.

Symptoms: The first thing she'll do is refuse to eat her grain. Soon after that she won’t want her hay either. Without quick intervention she’ll become weak and wobbly, lethargic and depressed. If still untreated by then, she’ll lie down and not want to get up. If you take her temperature when you first see these changes, it’ll be normal (102.3), but soon after that it’ll drop to sub-normal (below 102). Unless corrective measures are begun right away you’ll lose both the doe and her fetuses.

Treatment: If, because you're unsure as to why the doe is behaving this way, you call a veterinarian in for advice, he or she will probably (and unfortunately) tell you that her problem is “pregnancy toxemia”, or “pregnancy disease”, or perhaps the most likely diagnosis will be “ketosis” a secondary condition that happens when the doe stops eating (in this case because she's too weak to do so) thus has to start living on her own body's reserves*. While ketosis was not the initial cause of the doe's difficulty, after a couple of days of being too weak to eat any food it will certainly become a major part of her problem! So it, too, must be dealt with fast! A veterinarian, recognizing the ketosis but not the hypocalcemia that caused it, will want to treat with glucose, etc. But it's absolutely essential that the doe be treated with calcium supplements** at the same time, without which she will either end up dead, babies and all, or with a c-section, with babies too young to survive, and a hefty vet bill as well. So it behooves the owner to take charge of this whole process right away, to treat the doe with calcium supplements for the hypocalcemia, and, if more than a day or two has passed before treatment was begun, with glucose for ketosis as well.

Cause: It's all about the food! Most cases are seen in does that are getting a hefty grain ration along with their hay, especially when they're getting grass hay instead of alfalfa. During the last 2 months of the doe's pregnancy, this type of grain/grass hay diet does not provide enough Calcium for both the fast-growing fetuses' bone development and for her own muscle tone as well, so depending on how many fetuses are draining calcium from her to build their little skeletons, at some point the babies will drain ALL of her calcium from her for their own needs, leaving her nothing to keep her heart going (the heart is a muscle) or to go into labor (the uterus is ALSO a muscle). And the more fetuses she's carrying, the sooner this will happen! With just 1 or 2 fetuses she may make it until she goes into labor, but then be too weak from lack of muscle tone to expel the babies in a timely manner***. Or if she does succeed in birthing the kids (often requiring the owner's assistance), starting lactation in a calcium-deficient state can lead to a sudden (and very surprising!) loss of milk production at some unexpected point during lactation.

Prevention: You CAN prevent this, just by feeding your pregnant does a proper diet during pregnancy! Pregnant does need a great deal of calcium in their diets, particularly in the last two months of gestation. That's when the fetuses, now having fully developed all their little parts, focus all their energy on growing rapidly, and in so doing drain large amounts of calcium from the mother's body. Calcium is only available in the diet if the doe is ingesting at least 2 parts (and no more than 5 parts) of calcium-providing food to every 1 part of phosphorus-providing food. “The calcium-to-phosphorus ratio of a food or supplement determines how much of the calcium is absorbed.” (http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T040600.asp, bottom of the article, #8 under “12 ways to boost your calcium”.)

The only really good Calcium-providing feeds are alfalfa and clover, because grass hay contains barely any at all. OTOH, ALL forms of grain contain a great deal of phosphorus (and almost no calcium whatsoever). So if you feed grain without the calcium available from alfalfa or clover, OR if you feed alfalfa or clover without the phosphorus available from grain, there will be NO calcium available in the diet you feed for the developing babies....

During the doe's pregnancy, there are only two basic feeding approaches that will prevent hypocalcemia.

(1) Provide her daily with a small amount of grain (for a mature dairy-sized doe that would be no more than one cup per feeding) along with a regular ration of alfalfa, or,

(2) If feeding a grass hay or pasture instead of alfalfa, give her NO grain at all. That's because while grass hay does in itself contain a proper ratio of calcium to phosphorus, the total amount of each is exceedingly low. But adding a heavy-phosphorus grain ration to it would turn the balance of calcium to phosphorus upside down to something like 1 Ca to 4 (or more) P, making NO calcium available to the doe, and setting her up for hypocalcemia in late gestation. To increase the availability of Calcium in this instance, provide a good free-choice loose supplemental trace mineral mixture that contains at least 16% protein (grass hay has only ~5%), along with a ratio of no lower than 2 parts of Calcium to each 1 part of Phosphorus (the amount of which could be nicely increased with the addition of powdered Di-Calcium Phosphate, available through feed suppliers as well as online.)

However, there's an ideal third option available for those who prefer to feed both grain and hay in late gestation, but because they don't have ready access to free choice alfalfa must instead either pasture their goats or feed them grass hay. If alfalfa pellets can be bought locally at a reasonable price, a perfect late gestation diet for prevention of Hypocalcemia would be a ration of 1 cup (by measure) of grain, added to (using the same cup) 3 cups of alfalfa pellets, fed 2X daily, along with all the free choice pasture or grass hay the does want to eat between meals, and free choice access to a good, loose, trace mineral supplement, and baking soda.

In an effort to help owners figure out just how much of what feed to give their late gestation does to provide that minimum 2:1 ratio, I recently wrote a technical nutritional analysis of how the 2 CA to 1 P balance works out in real-time farm-feeding measurements. (I'll be happy to forward a copy of that analysis to readers who'd like to read it.)

And then to translate the technical information in the article into useful terms, I calculated the actual weight of the (minimum) 2Ca:1P ratio diet I feed to my own Togg does. In so doing I found that at mealtime they each get 1 lb of alfalfa (a combination of 12 oz alfalfa pellets, ALL of which is devoured eagerly, and roughly 24 oz loose alfalfa free choice, some of which is generally wasted) along with 1 cup (1/4 lb by weight) of grain. That's roughly a per-meal ratio of 1 lb of calcium-containing food to each 1/4 lb of phosphorus containing food, translating to a daily ration of 4:1 (4 Ca to every 1 P), well-within the parameters of the acceptable calcium to phosphorus ratios of 2Ca:1P to 5Ca:1P that are needed to make calcium available in the diet.

Because when measuring them pound for pound we can see there's a difference in the volume of grain and alfalfa pellets, after calculating the above feeding ratio by weight I went back again and re-calculated it by volume. When I filled up my 1-cup grain-measuring container with alfalfa pellets instead, I discovered that it took exactly 3 of them to fill up my larger, alfalfa-measuring container. So, when measuring out a feeding of grain and alfalfa pellets for one animal, to provide the essential minimum of 2 Ca to 1 P ratio in that meal all you need to do is put 3 of the small scoops (or a larger scoop that holds the equivalent) of alfalfa pellets into the dish, and top it off with 1 small scoop of grain****!

Addendum: For readers that while feeding to prevent Hypocalcemia are concerned about other nutrients, such as protein, being available to their does as well, according to Ensminger and Olentine's Livestock Feeds and Nutrition Complete the average digestible protein content in grain is 11.2%, whereas in alfalfa it's 15.9%, in clover 10.5%, in beet pulp it's 14.1% and in grass hay 5.1%. The average digestible energy level in grain is 1.38%, in alfalfa it's 1.13%, in clover it's 0.93%, in beet pulp it's 1.32%, and in grass hay it's 1.8%. And, last but not least, the average crude fiber content in grain is 6%, in alfalfa it's 27.2%, in clover it's 25.7%, in beet pulp it's 15.17%, and in grass hay it's 28.2%.

Sue Reith
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*When the goat doesn't get food from outside, it tries to stay alive by using its own reserves. Its own fatty tissue is used to provide energy, and in so doing it releases 'ketones' into the system. The ketones soon shut down the liver, hence the name 'ketosis'.

**The most effective calcium supplementation is done with CMPK, because it's made up of not just Calcium, but also Magnesium, Phosphorus, and Potassium, formulated to work together as a team to make Calcium more quickly available to the body, and at the same time prevent an overdose of the Calcium (which when given alone can result in cardiac arrest) during restoration. BTW: I have a 'homemade recipe' for CMPK that I'll be happy to give to anyone that wants it.

***This delayed labor brought about by a lack of sufficient calcium to provide the uterus with proper muscle tone is also the cause of Floppy Kid Syndrome! The babies remain in the birth canal for too long before gaining access to oxygen, a process which sets up an acidosis in the brain tissue. This is why Sodium Bicarbonate is the treatment of choice to save the 'Floppy Kid”, which it does by neutralizing the acidosis in the kid's brain.

****If the pregnant doe is lactating and still being milked, you can serve that grain/pellets combo to her while in the stanchion.

(While I urge you to share this information with other individual small ruminant owners, please do not reproduce the article for publication without my specific permission. Thank you, Sue Reith.)
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I have this and many of Sue's other articles saved to my hard drive.
Reminder to self- print these out just in case!!
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Reading that was like reliving the past 24 hours.
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You and many many others. Hopefully this helps a lot of folks.

I would add that if you have outstanding alfalfa, you should only feed a 10-12 % protein grain (and not heavily) during the last 45 -60 days of gestation, in order to reduce the incidence of protein edema.

(And Pygmies and less milky Nigerian Dwarves may need to be tweaked even more to avoid getting fat).

PS Perhaps the Moderator could make this a sticky (with just the article). ???
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This is some of the most valuable info out there and I am constantly urging folks to read Sue's articles. Her article on prevention of urinary calculi is also very good.

I always stock injeactable CMPK here, but have folks who cant get the RX keep calcium gluconate injectable on hand as well as injectable dextrose as I've had the best luck injecting dextrose subQ, along with oral boost....
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You and many many others. Hopefully this helps a lot of folks.

I would add that if you have outstanding alfalfa, you should only feed a 10-12 % protein grain (and not heavily) during the last 45 -60 days of gestation, in order to reduce the incidence of protein edema.

(And Pygmies and less milky Nigerian Dwarves may need to be tweaked even more to avoid getting fat).

PS Perhaps the Moderator could make this a sticky (with just the article). ???
What is protein edema? The blue seal I feed has 20% protein BUT it is 2:1 on the calcium/phosphorus. I can't win, can I?
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Very CLEAR and EASY to read article! Thank you. We are one of the alfalfa hay feeding goat owners. We actually feed more alfalfa than the "3 pounds recommended on some sites for each goat each day" that Alice mentioned on a different thread regarding this topic. Especially during this extremely cold winter we have been feeding lots more alfalfa hay. We also feed BOSS, oats and Purina Dairy Parlor (which I think is 16% - although diluted by the fact that we mix it with the aforementioned). We probably feed more than the recommended amount of that, too...due to the girls gobbling it down on the stand and "dancing" for more! Perhaps we are accidentally feeding a 2:1 ratio on a grander scale than is recommended and certainly by accident. In any case, food for thought and very much appreciated. I admit that while I was definitely aware of the 2 C to 1 P ratio I wasn't certain how to attain that balance and this article was very helpful in bringing it into focus. I honestly just cannot imagine our big Nubian girls (over 200 pounds each) eating 1 pound plus 24 ounces of alfalfa hay and 1 cup of grain twice a day and not dying!! lol. Perhaps someone who feeds alfalfa hay (not pellets) could explain where I am misunderstanding (if I am) and what the correct amount of ONLY alfalfa hay would be especially since we do not have any grass pasture at all (we live in woods) and do not feed any grass hay for snacking between meals? They always have the minerals and baking soda available to them free choice.
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What is protein edema? The blue seal I feed has 20% protein BUT it is 2:1 on the calcium/phosphorus. I can't win, can I?
Too high in protein. Find an all-purpose pellet at 12% (the horse feeds are excellent for this).

Unless you have heavy milking Saanens or Alpines, I would imagine that this is always going to be too high in protein for the health of the goat. Her kidneys are working overtime expelling the excess protein. And since protein is one of the most expensive components of any feed, you are wasting money as well.

Almost all dairy goat people that I know feed a 16% protein feed. Many have shifted to feeding that to their does after kidding - pre-kidding they stick with the 12% pellets.
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I had protein related problems in my herd.... Horrible, long lasting edema after freshening, overly large kids and goats, bred or not, walking on sore feet... Very light and tentative, even though no visible abnormalities or injuries were present...

So I switched my feed up quite a bit. Growing babies get a 16%-18% pelleted feed along with milk and free choice Chaffhaye alfalfa.... Once grown though, they move to a 12% ration... It's a basic 12% protein, 8% fat pellet that I mix with crimped barley and whole oats. They'll stay on this the rest of their life, pregnant or milking.

So far, since changing up my feeding, I've had no more nasty edema, sore feet vanished and didn't come back and no kidding issues or metabolic woes. My girls keep weight on and milk well.... So here, the lower protein is part of the magic formula that works well for me
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The #2 option in the article is what i fed my dry cows during gestation and put my goats on too. It is easy and inexpensive. But I want to say that Bermuda hay, that I purchased anyway, was analyzed at 12 - 14% protein.

Excellent article. Would be really good to add to a sticky - or maybe reorganize a sticky with the major potential emergencies address in these easy to digest articles.
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Too high in protein. Find an all-purpose pellet at 12% (the horse feeds are excellent for this).

Unless you have heavy milking Saanens or Alpines, I would imagine that this is always going to be too high in protein for the health of the goat. Her kidneys are working overtime expelling the excess protein. And since protein is one of the most expensive components of any feed, you are wasting money as well.

Almost all dairy goat people that I know feed a 16% protein feed. Many have shifted to feeding that to their does after kidding - pre-kidding they stick with the 12% pellets.
Ok check out this horse pellet...how does it look to you?

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Ditto on high protein causing edema.
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One other question, for those who are following the advice given in the article, why do you still need to have injectable CMPK on hand? Do you still worry that not enough is being done to keep the levels of calcium up with this diet? or that some how the balance of C and P will tip? Thanks!!
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You will have some individuals that have problems no matter what. In my experience it is the does you can't keep weight on after they freshen. No matter how much you feed them it all goes into the bucket instead of body condition. It's those does that milk 14 lbs a day and over that you have to watch. The ones that keep good condition on good hay and two or three lbs of grain a day, that give a gallon a day, you don't have to worry about.
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I keep CMPK (oral MFO) on hand b/c nigerians can have high # litters and sometimes they will need just a bit of a boost to get them through that. So far, crossing fingers, we have only given it a few times. Probably really didn't "need" it but it made me feel better. Most times it is only a boost to help them deliver the placenta in a timely manner.
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We had a girl this year who normally gives about a gallon a day ... suddenly this year she became a milking maniac! She started almost immediately giving a gallon at the morning milking...it was amazing! After about 2 weeks of this behavior she suddenly refused to eat her grain and/or peanuts (her favorite food in the whole world). We were immediately suspicious and knew that something was up. We did what we always do in emergencies - panic and throw the kitchen sink at whoever is causing the panic! She did not have a fever just as the above article states...we gave CMPK injectable, vitamin B complex, C and D and ProBios .... we basically slept with her and watched her like a hawk ....next day she was normal and has remained so ever since EXCEPT that she continues to give a gallon in the AM and 1/2 or more in the PM. SCARY~ !! I suspect we were lucky to catch this sudden overachiever before she went down --- another thing to look for, folks -- sudden increase in milking way over what has been normal for the doe over the years followed by sudden loss of appetite. Thanks again for the info.
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I will be printing this article too. And following the recommendations very closely next year. Thanks for posting it! I know stickies are trying to take over the first page but this article would be very beneficial.
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Mac ....a nub.... gave birth to five full size babbies. One month before birth I started on Tim's and b vitamins and folic and d 3 vit. Her mom did five before and I almost lost her. Great Miller.
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Ok check out this horse pellet...how does it look to you?

http://blueseal.com/files/feeding-an...naViteLite.pdf
Is this a mineral or a grain supplement? My mineral doesn't really list protein levels...and is much higher in copper and selenium.

As a grain, the copper and selenium are really high.

Would you feed this free choice like a mineral or would you feed this as a pellet on the milk stand?

Personally I don't like it because it is a weird combination. Maybe someone else has used it to good effect?

BTW, I just was reading tags (love to read tags) of a Mare Maintenance feed at 12% protein with lovely levels of copper, selenium, and zinc and it included vitamins AND three types of organic lactobacillus. $14.99/bag. Not too bad for the quality. It is a Nutrena product.
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