Help? Never seen this, is she waiting on me?

[dunroven]

I have a doe, FF, that is just about to kid, but she has had a string with a little (I would say about the size of a radish) drop of amber fluid on it. She has had that since about 2 a.m. and nothing else has happened. Am I looking at dead babies in there do you think, should I have gone in yet, or is she still just in the getting ready stage? I have had goats for many years, but never seen this, so I'm not sure if it is a stage or a finality.

[Frosted Mini's]

Amber goo is quite normal during labor. Is she pushing or straining at all? If you are concerned, it NEVER hurts to go in and investigate. She could be having an issue or none at all, but you really can't tell from the outside.

[dunroven]

I went in because the little amber bubble did fall but there has been no progress since 2 a.m. and she started having contractions again while I was out there. All I can feel is possibly a butt and a rib cage, and I cannot find the feet although I was in past my wrist. I am going to let her rest, because it really tired her out for me to do that and then I'll go back and see if anything has changed. Do you think that the baby will turn, or will I have to try to go in further and find those feet and pull them out?

[SkeeterBlue]

I'd try to find those feet. If this is breach you will need to find and pull the back feet out and deliver breech. Hoping for the best.

[myheaven]

If your feeling something like your nuckles on your hand, that is the spine, ribs feel like fingers. Either way you MUST reposition that baby! She cannot deliver the baby that way. You must get two feet.

[Ford Zoo]

Any updates Dunroven??

[dunroven]

I'm going back out and try again. I can identify the back, spine, ribs, and what I believe to be the butt, but I can find no legs, and really, I'm just thinking this is the butt, I can find no tail, but I also cannot find a head nor the legs, I'm wondering if she doesn't have a deformed baby in there that is just too big to get through. I came in to feed my baby goats I have here in the house, but I am done with that now and I'm heading back out. Whatever happens, I'm pretty sure this baby is going to be dead. I just REALLY don't want to lose this mother. She is a really nice goat.

I'll keep you all posted.

[dunroven]

Well, as I pictured in my mind what I was feeling, I could not find a tail, nor a mouth, nor feet anywhere that should have been in line with that butt, so I thought check sideways. Well, sure enough. The little goat was turned sideways and a bit twisted. I was feeling the stomach and side and the back was twisted toward the front. I finally got a leg, and it was a back leg, and I got that out and then the other one came out, and with a big whoosh, that baby slid right out, and as I expected, it was dead. And absolutely right behind it came another one, and it was alive, and mom started drying it immediately and right behind that another one came and it was also dead. She had 2 little does and a buck, and the buck survived. I lost both little does. This was not a good day for babies. All three were really good sized too.

I just have 3 more goats to go and I'll be done. This gives me 10 babies so far, and I've lost track of who has what. Again, pictures when all finished.

Thanks for the help folks. I love this site for that.

[baileysclublamb]

Im sorry to hear about you losing your babies.

[Minelson]

Sorry for the doelings that didn't make it

[PNP Katahdins]

Glad you saved one plus the mother. Sorry about the two girls.

Peg

[Goat Servant]

Oh Dunroven what a morning you've had!
Sorry about the doelings but glad for you the mama doe & the buckling.
For future reference if someone is breech I don't re position, just get a hold of the thigh & pull with rear legs still fwd.
Then again I haven't had anybody sideways neither.
Good job!

[dunroven]

I have never had one like this. I kept feeling soft and kind of squishy but I figured butt. I never thought about it being the stomach and then when I turned my hand to reach to the side, there was the back leg. I was just stunned at that and that poor goat screamed so bad. She's doing sort of okay now. She's still not completely passed that afterbirth, but she's working on it and she sure is taking care of her baby, its drinking and walking and doing fine. I thought I would try to post a picture of her on here if I can get it turned around. I took it, lol, sideways. Geez

This is Lequie (pronounced leakie, (her name is Angelique)) and her baby. He's not named yet. I'll take a better picture of him when they are both up and going and when the others are done having theirs.

[Goat Servant]

Happy Thanksgiving little Liquie & welome to HT!

[motdaugrnds]

OMG I am so proud of you! I have never gone into a goat like that and only hope I never have to. Congratulations on saving that little buckling.

[dunroven]

motdaugrnds,

I have one goat that I always have to go in on. She just always has had problems, but its easy with her. She is big in the back end. I think she just clamps down and doesn't want to let them out! LOL This gal, Lequie is really small in the pelvic area, and all 3 of these babies were in such a rush to get out, I think the first one started to turn and the other 2 collided with it and blocked it from turning, and it just couldn't get out of the way.

I hate going in on them, but this time, I hesitated way too long. I mistook that little bubble for the start of labor. The guy that is here helping us went with my husband to pick up the 3 pyrenees that we are getting from another homesteading person, and when they called to tell me where they were, he told me he had seen her that way at 2 a.m. and couldn't wake us up, so instead of knocking on our bedroom window, he just went to bed. I forgive him since he is new at this, but this will never happen again.

We are hoping by next kidding season to have a video camera system set up in the barn and in our bedroom, so I can have it on and set my alarm and look at the video and know myself what is happening out there and then I'll know when it is time to head out. I have had baby monitors but didn't get one this year.

Anyway, its done now, but it will be better the next time. I had 9 adult does and 1 big buck. Now I'm going to have more babies than adults! LOLOL

[nehimama]

A job well done, dunroven! Without your intervention, your courage, and your dedication, I'm afraid that Mama and all 3 babies would have perished.

I HATE presentations like this! They are the stuff of nightmares.

You did great.

[Pony]

What Loretta said!

Ya done good, Dunroven! Really well.

I am sorry you lost the doelings , but so glad that you saved your doe and the buckling.

[baileysclublamb]

we would rather pull the babies ( even if we may be jumping the gun a little) so we know everything is ok and don't leave anything to chance. I used to hate pulling babies, but would rather do that then have dead babies.

[SkeeterBlue]

I am so glad you were able to go in there and save the doe and buck. So sorry for your loss of the girls!