Dropping a fecal off. Pregnant doe?

Doug Hodges · #1 11/14/13, 08:08 AM

No idea what's wrong yet. I noticed her scouring when I went to check on everyone. I ran in and grabbed a Baggie. Dropped the kids at school and Just dropped the fecal off at the vet. I gave her probiotic before I left. She's 2 months pregnant. My vet thinks Panacur cures everything. So I will need advice once I know the results. I have prohibit, Toltrazuril, Valbazen, cydectin pour on, Panacur and safeguard. Stay tuned.

solbergfarm · #2 11/14/13, 08:21 AM

If no overburden of parasites are found, try pepto-bismol at the human dosage and frequency to soothe the g.i. tract, and keep up the probiotics. Monitor water intake, and consider using electrolytes, too. Of course, there is a good chance it is parasites....I'll check back with you to see what the fecal results are. I am NOT A VET....just sharing with you what was prescribed for a similar situation in our herd in the past.

Doug Hodges · #3 11/14/13, 08:42 AM

Results are High in Coccidia and low count of Strongyles? Her eyelids are borderline to good. Shes not as red as some others but she isn't pale either.

Alice In TX/MO · #4 11/14/13, 08:44 AM

Baycox/Toltrazuril would be my treatment choice.

Doug Hodges · #5 11/14/13, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO

Baycox/Toltrazuril would be my treatment choice.

Mine too. Now to figure out weight. She's a good sized doe. I think I'll guess 150 lbs. that would be 27ml. Wow. That sounds high. Is that right?

Doug Hodges · #6 11/14/13, 09:33 AM

Heading home to measure with tape to see how much she weighs.

**mygoat** · #7 11/14/13, 09:45 AM

If the coccidia is really causing a problem (which I doubt in adults) then I'd SERIOUSLY consider culling her and her kids. No adult worth keeping suffers from coccidia. Adults should have no problem maintaining a load of coccidia without ever suffering from it. If they do, it is a sign that their immune system is insufficient.

Coccidia can bloom as a result of digestive upset or as a secondary effect of other disease that might suppress the immune system, or even just as a normal load. Several types are non-disease causing and can be at quite high levels. Adults can often have high loads but this should not be a detriment to them (instead, they shed at high rates in the environment where the kids pick it up). We feed a monensin medicated grain at 20g/ton to does starting 4-6weeks pre kidding. This lowers the number they shed in the environment and in theory the kids would encounter less in the environment.

Used toltrazuril last year as a one-time dose for the kids... I'll probably use it like regular prevention this year as I noticed slower growth in my March kid than I'd like.

Live and learn... At least it's a one time dose which I can manage. Considered doing corid or sulfadimethoxine in the water for kids as well once they got a bit bigger.

My bet is that something else is going on. Take a temp and give CD antitoxin is where I'd start. If you use toltrazuril, shake WELL - it settles. Any other symptoms?

Doug Hodges · #8 11/14/13, 09:54 AM

Im just leaving the office. I plan on checking for a fever when I get home.

Doug Hodges · #9 11/14/13, 11:05 AM

Temp of 101.4. No more scours. I put her on the milk stand to check her out. She ran to the alfalfa and started eating it voraciously. I measured her. 102 lbs according to the tape. I dosed her with the Toltrazuril. Checked eyelids again and they are still dark pink. Probably wasn't a concern.

punchiepal · #10 11/14/13, 02:40 PM

Having been through what I have with a 2.5 yo nubian doe before, I would not cull her just based on a cocci count.
Our story-
The doe was not raised here and was not raised on cocci prevention. She was raised on non-medicated pellets and "treatment for cocci as I saw a need then confirmed with a fecal." Well, my guess, is that she probably had enough of a level w/o scours while young b/c she entirely changed after being here. This doe would scour at ANY stress, even going into heat. We finally pulled her out of the milk string and fed her medicated goat pellets from late summer to 6 wks pre-kidding, then switched to her milkstand feed. SHE BLOOMED. Her barrel deepened, she milked better and I have been told that she has never shown problems since we did this for her new owners.

Doug Hodges · #11 11/14/13, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by punchiepal

Having been through what I have with a 2.5 yo nubian doe before, I would not cull her just based on a cocci count.

I haven't had her as long as most. She's a big baby. She always bawls for me. She snuggles and follows me everywhere. She's the first one or near the lead when I call. (I have 5 or so that fit this category) This is her first time to show being sick. Although she isn't as fat as the rest. She's purebred spotted and bred to purebred spotted. She's not going anywhere for now. However, I do want healthy and will cull her if necessary. But not just yet.

**mygoat** · #12 11/14/13, 07:28 PM

I wasn't saying cull due to a high load. Adults should be able to have a high load WITHOUT showing clinical symptoms/detriment from it - that is NORMAL and DESIRED. I was saying cull IF she becomes CLINICALLY ILL from it. I doubt the cocci was the root cause... ESP if she was better before treatment.

I do think cocci control in adults is important because while THEY are resistant, their newborn kids raised on the same pasture are NOT, and thus its to your advantage to lower the number your adults are shedding into the pastures where the kids pick it up. I don't feed rumensin feed to the adults for the adults' benefit - but for the benefit of my dam raised kids.

solbergfarm · #13 11/17/13, 12:15 PM

got back to the forum, and read the replies... so glad to hear your doe is better, and the scours stopped. She is a lucky girl to have an attentive owner. Maybe whatever unknown disturbance caused the scours triggered the coccidia to jump. Did your vet give you an actual egg count on the coccidia? May not be that huge, and perhaps your doe just overindulged on some goodie like acorns or the like (don't know what your pasture situation is, but goats certainly seem able to find ways of disturbing the gut flora occasionally).

Doug Hodges · #14 11/17/13, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by solbergfarm

got back to the forum, and read the replies... so glad to hear your doe is better, and the scours stopped. She is a lucky girl to have an attentive owner. Maybe whatever unknown disturbance caused the scours triggered the coccidia to jump. Did your vet give you an actual egg count on the coccidia? May not be that huge, and perhaps your doe just overindulged on some goodie like acorns or the like (don't know what your pasture situation is, but goats certainly seem able to find ways of disturbing the gut flora occasionally).

I didn't get an actual count. I got high count of coccid and low count of strongyles is what she said. She said she didn't actually count.

SkeeterBlue · #15 11/18/13, 08:33 AM

It is probably the strongyloides causing the scouring. I have a preggy doe that just went through that, treated with Levamisole and the scours cleared up within 12 hours. You said "strongyles" not strongyloides... check that. Strongyloides is any type of whip worm. Stongyles can mean barberpole. So check that.

Doug Hodges · #16 11/18/13, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SkeeterBlue

It is probably the strongyloides causing the scouring. I have a preggy doe that just went through that, treated with Levamisole and the scours cleared up within 12 hours. You said "strongyles" not strongyloides... check that. Strongyloides is any type of whip worm. Stongyles can mean barberpole. So check that.

I'm pretty sure she said strongyles. She differentiated between the coccid being high and the strongyles low. The doe is fine now. She only had one night of scours. The probios had it cured before I gave her anything else. It was probably just an upset stomach.