Leasing a buck

Goatsandsheep · #1 10/30/13, 11:13 PM

I have someone who would like to lease my buck. I'm unsure how much to charge. He's a reg. La Mancha. I know I want to make sure it's a clean herd.

chamoisee · #2 10/30/13, 11:21 PM

My advice? Don't do it unless you really cover your hind end. You need legalese spelling out terms of lease, that the person leasing him will pay you his full value if he dies, is responsible for all veterinary care, injury, sickness, etc, will not sub-let him to other people, that their herd has been tested for disease, etc etc.

I had a *beautiful* gentle, NICE buck from Olentangy Alpines. Leased him out. The idiot let him run loose with the does on the side of a mountain and my buck didn't come home one night. The guy figures a predator got him. :-( Never paid me a single dime for the use of him, let alone any kind of a compensation for his loss, but was selling the kids for extra money because the sire was fancy and registered.... Also turned out he'd been using him on Boer does. Ugh! Because I had nothing in writing, there was nothing I could do. Will never lease again. :-(

Doug Hodges · #3 10/31/13, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chamoisee

My advice? Don't do it unless you really cover your hind end. You need legalese spelling out terms of lease, that the person leasing him will pay you his full value if he dies, is responsible for all veterinary care, injury, sickness, etc, will not sub-let him to other people, that their herd has been tested for disease, etc etc.

I had a *beautiful* gentle, NICE buck from Olentangy Alpines. Leased him out. The idiot let him run loose with the does on the side of a mountain and my buck didn't come home one night. The guy figures a predator got him. :-( Never paid me a single dime for the use of him, let alone any kind of a compensation for his loss, but was selling the kids for extra money because the sire was fancy and registered.... Also turned out he'd been using him on Boer does. Ugh! Because I had nothing in writing, there was nothing I could do. Will never lease again. :-(

The nerve of some people!!!!

Living the good life

Rockytopsis · #4 10/31/13, 05:38 AM

My buck is a cross breed, Kiko/Savana. Some would call him a mutt. However I paid for him and he is mine and I like his kids.

That being said, I would never lease him out.
I have had does brought to him though on several occasions.

Chamoisee, I am sorry your buck was treated that way.

Nancy

dozedotz · #5 10/31/13, 09:20 AM

Wow! What a horror story! That is awful...so sorry for how you must have felt losing that guy. We have had inquiries about Noble in particular...just for driveway breeding. Nope! We paid a pretty penny for him, have loved him since he was 8 weeks old, need him to be healthy for our girls for as long as possible and would not risk him with a possible someone who could care less what happens to him. I really got my dander up reading this!!! What the heck is wrong with people? A buck is half the herd for goodness sake...and a good guy like your boy deserves some respect. We love our boys and I know you did, too...can't help it, this just burns me up.

Goatsandsheep · #6 10/31/13, 11:09 AM

Chamoisee That's horrible.

I have a lease agree covering all bases. Which may make her change her mind. It would be nice for him to make money to cover his feeding for the year.

hiddensprings · #7 10/31/13, 02:52 PM

I don't let my bucks leave the farm. I just don't trust people and even with a contract in place, I might still have the expense of taking someone to court if they decide not to pay up or my buck comes back injured or worse. I've allow a handful of folks to bring their Does to me but usually they are customers who have purchased Nubians from me. (I keep a couple unrelated bucks)

chamoisee · #8 10/31/13, 02:54 PM

What I have considered for the future, is keeping a buckling out of one of my nicer does each year, and then when breeding season comes along, housing him separately and renting him out for buck service, then butchering or selling him at the end of the breeding season. This would cancel out the disease risk.

I don't usually register bucklings unless they're of sound conformation, from a dam with a good udder and production, and usually from A.I. breedings....but I often have very nice kids that are by my own bucks and which wouldn't be as marketable as the A.I. kids....and they still a big cut above what is locally available, in terms of quality....the pedigree simply isn't as impressive.

Hollowdweller · #9 11/01/13, 02:32 PM

I've leased LOTS of bucks and returned them in fine shape. I love leasing.

However the two times I have leased animals to others, one time the buck got thru the fence and my friend lost him. Luckily he was doing some sawmill work for a guy about 3 miles away and my buck had showed up at his house and he got him back.

The other time the guy and I were supposed to meet and it was like 100 degrees and he was 2 hours late and then he claimed the goat got shipping fever which I don't doubt he was from being in a truck cap in the heat for so long and when he returned him he was well, but VERY skinny.

I don't think I would lease to somebody unless I had been to their place.

If they live close though I'd just offer them buck service. I've hauled does up to 4 hours one way for buck service myself.

I don't think I would worry too much leasing to a person who was a true goat BREEDER, because that person, like me when I lease something are aware of the cost of the animal and the pedigree and take special care.

I would worry leasing to a goat HAVER.

Goatsandsheep · #10 11/01/13, 03:44 PM

The lady who would like to lease him knows goats. She actually down sized because her older daughter when off to college on a ag scholarship. They owned, show and raised goats for many years. She someone I would actually call if I had a problem.