I don't think the Lute worked ...

Cygnet · #1 10/06/13, 08:49 PM

If ya'll recall, I couldn't "count to two" and missed a ball when I was neutering kids last spring. On may 23rd, the vet surgically neutered the buckling (who was then five months old) and five weeks later (to allow for all potential live sperm to die) I luted both my does -- who are the former one-balled buckling's mother and sister.

So --
Buck neutered on may 23rd
Does luted around June 30th

And now his mother, Fancy, sure as heck feels like she's pregnant -- I can definitely feel a hard, moving little lump on her left side. She also dried up two weeks ago.

I am NOT sure she's pregnant. Time will tell. If she is pregnant, the buck likely bred her AFTER he was neutered (and he effectively had a retained testicle, because it was up under the skin in his groin!) and the kid(s) then survived the lute! She has zero udder development. If he'd bred her before he was neutered, she would be almost due.

OTOH, goats love to surprise you ... I've had them bag up a week before they're due, particularly if they've got a single. Allowing a month for the buck's swimmers to be active, she could be due anywhere between Oct 20th to November 20th.

(Oh, and we've been joking about the buckling having three balls since I discovered my oops. Now the joke is, with a mother to son breeding, it'll be three balls and two heads.

)

If she is pregnant, I'm renaming her Fertile Myrtle.

Minelson · #2 10/06/13, 09:26 PM

Left side is rumen...right side would be babies.

Cygnet · #3 10/06/13, 10:30 PM

I'm dysgraphic ... I was actually feeling the correct side, LOLOL!

mpete · #4 10/06/13, 10:42 PM

Lol! The good news is that had s fertility rate is lower.... but I hope the lute worked.... how much did you give?

Cygnet · #5 10/06/13, 10:53 PM

Aargh, I don't remember the dose. The vet drew the syringes up. We had a whole discussion about the dosage, and we decided to go with a dose on the high end.

If she's pregnant, I'd really like her to have twins or triplets. I hate single births in Nigerians. It never fails that the singleton is a honking big buck and it's a tug of war to get him out ...

LFRJ · #6 10/06/13, 11:27 PM

Wait a minute - can a buckling with a retained testicle actually impregnate a doe? As I understand it, a buckling with retained testicles would be sterile - the reason the sack hangs outside the body is to keep the sperm at an even, cooler temperature. Too hot inside the body, so the sperm would not be viable from a retained testicle - at least this was how it was explained to me.

Minelson · #7 10/07/13, 06:33 AM

I have a cat whose father had a retained testicle. Her father is also her brother.

**mygoat** · #8 10/07/13, 09:51 AM

A goat with one testicle and in the body cavity is really not likely at all, to be able to sire kids. That being said, stranger things have happened in the world of goats.

If she does kid out, It'll be interesting to count back to guess an approx bred date and wether or not it coincides with before/after castration.

And if she DOES end up bred, sounds like it was really *meant* to be!

Ford Zoo · #9 10/07/13, 06:13 PM

Isn't there some rule that if lute is given too late it won't work? Just a thought.

Frosted Mini's · #10 10/07/13, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ford Zoo

Isn't there some rule that if lute is given too late it won't work? Just a thought.

Nope, only too early. You can give lute right up to the due date to end the pregnancy in a goat. But if you give it before the corpus luteum is there, it doesn't do anything, so you have to wait until after it is formed.

KrisD · #11 10/08/13, 12:26 AM

I used lute to induce labor In a goat last Spring and it didn't work. It took 3 doses and a dose of Pred before she finally started to show signs she was close to labor.

Cygnet · #12 10/08/13, 12:35 AM

The wayward testicle was under the skin, not actually in his abdominal cavity, and iirc the weather was fairly cool. He actually wasn't born a cryptorchid. However, I think general rule with retained testicles and is they're only fertile when you hope they're NOT, LOL.

And yeah, if she has kids, they were definitely meant to be. (I even joked about this with the vet.) However, I wish they weren't "meant to be" in the late fall. Winters here are wet, cold, extremely windy, and muddy. Keeping kids healthy in our winter weather here sounds like so much fun. I have a feeling I'll have goat kids in my office if she is pregnant.

Ford Zoo · #13 10/08/13, 06:39 AM

I should have known that, I used Lute this spring to induce. My brain gets tired sometimes....