Well that's weird - Heats.

**mygoat** · #1 10/03/13, 03:15 PM

Gave PG600 Tuesday PM. Was supposed to pull CIDRs this morning (36hrs) but schedule change for research and then an exam made me put off the drive until around 11am today. Got home around 12:30 after a couple pit stops and the first thing I notice is that MOST of the girls are in heat NOW, despite still having CIDRs in.

I should mention that most of the CIDRs are on their 2nd use... All of them except 1, and all the goats that are in heat have the 'old' ones. Hmmmm....

Note to self - use CIDRs with a 2 week protocol from now on.

This means that I'll be AI'ing the does in heat TOMORROW afternoon instead of Saturday. The only doe with the 'new' CIDR doesn't appear to be in heat yet, will check her tomorrow. If I can, I'll wait for her until Saturday.

Doug Hodges · #2 10/03/13, 03:53 PM

Second use?

**mygoat** · #3 10/03/13, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Hodges

Second use?

CIDRs have like 45 days worth of progesterone. You can rinse them in chlorhexidine, dry well, and reuse them next year.

This works for both the 21 day cycle, but I think I"m going to stick with 2 week inserts from now on.

Doug Hodges · #4 10/03/13, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mygoat

CIDRs have like 45 days worth of progesterone. You can rinse them in chlorhexidine, dry well, and reuse them next year.

This works for both the 21 day cycle, but I think I"m going to stick with 2 week inserts from now on.

Didn't know that. I just threw mine away.

Frosted Mini's · #5 10/04/13, 12:52 AM

What protocol do you use?

I haven't heard of using PG600 36 hours before the pull. Most of the protocols give it when you pull it or 12 hours before. Maybe that's why you are getting heats before you remove the CIDR.

I've been in the thick of AI'ing does as well! My friend had 4 for me to do today (CIDR protocol), I bred 1 of mine last night, 1 this afternoon, and have one more, that's hopefully ready now, going to check. Mine on natural heats. Sheesh ladies, coulda timed it a little better!

Doug Hodges · #6 10/04/13, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosted Mini's

What protocol do you use?

I haven't heard of using PG600 36 hours before the pull. Most of the protocols give it when you pull it or 12 hours before. Maybe that's why you are getting heats before you remove the CIDR.

I've been in the thick of AI'ing does as well! My friend had 4 for me to do today (CIDR protocol), I bred 1 of mine last night, 1 this afternoon, and have one more, that's hopefully ready now, going to check. Mine on natural heats. Sheesh ladies, coulda timed it a little better!

From what I've read, 36 hrs is the normal time to pull. Several on here have experience doing just that. However, you can read all types of things on the Internet.

**mygoat** · #7 10/04/13, 09:25 AM

I give PG600 36hrs before I pull CIDRs. Last year, nobody was in heat but they were ALL using 'fresh' CIDRs. This year, Everybody was on the 2nd use except for the one doe who was showing no signs.

I then AI 24hrs after I pull the CIDR usually - or in this case, I"ll be doing it 24hrs after I notice heat. I don't have time to monitor each doe for the perfect time - as long as it gets done 'close' to ovulation (preferably before) it has a chance of working.

**mygoat** · #8 10/04/13, 10:49 AM

Oops, misspoke - I expect HEATS 24hrs after CIDR removal, and I AI 48 hrs after CIDR removal - normally.

Frosted Mini's · #9 10/04/13, 08:38 PM

Well, I have seen heats as early as 12 hours post pull, but that is really strange that they were in heat before the CIDR even came out! It will be interesting to see your results from this.

There are tons of different protocols for using CIDRs or estrus synchronization using all different kinds of meds. I like reading about them and seeing what most people's success is with the different protocols. The reason there are so many, is that most all of them work pretty good! As long as you aren't totally doing something weird, you should be able to manipulate the goats' hormones into being in heat when you need them to be.

**mygoat** · #10 10/04/13, 09:36 PM

I am in LOVE with synching. It makes my life a bajillion times easier. I remember reasearching using CIDRs and being a wee bit overwhelmed but honestly, I finally just picked a method that I could do myself without a vet, and did it.

Last year I bred 10 does - 6 live, 4 AI - all but 1 of the AI does took. This was with the same protocol - CIDRs in for 21 days. Give PG600 36hs before removal. AI 48 hrs after CIDR removal. Breeding 7 live and 4 AI. Still have 2 more Jr does to do, plus any that don't take this time 'round.

ALL does go into heat it seems, though last year we had trouble spotting heat in some of our does (I wasn't home as much last time though) - They all still bred.

The doe with the 'new' CIDR is in STRONG roaring heat today so will be AI'd tomorrow morning ish. I brought over my lonely alpine buck and let them flirt a good long while through the fence, which helps with conception I'm told.

AI'd 3 of the does today - an alpine doe who was in heat yseterady and 2 of the boer does. The 2 boer does will recieve a 2nd straw tomorrow because I was pretty early in AI'ing them - and I ordered extra so what the hey.

Frosted Mini's · #11 10/04/13, 09:43 PM

Oh yes, the CIDRs are pretty nice. I bred 4 of my friend's does AI yesterday that she had used them in. I also did one of mine on live heat yesterday as well. I had one other in heat that I wanted to breed, but missed my opportunity, so just have to wait till next heat. All of my alpine senior does have come in heat in the last 2 days. Should be interesting in 5 months. I bred 3 a week ago, and 3 more today, yesterday, and night before. I still have ALL of my junior does to breed (11!) and the only ones having heats so far are too young to breed. Sigh.

**mygoat** · #12 10/04/13, 10:48 PM

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Should be interesting in 5 months.

Last year with 9 does due 3/6, I had all kids arrive between 3/1 and 3/5. I slept a little when I could but pretty much was otherwise monitoring does in labor, making sure all the kids were accounted for/eating, milking, pasteurizing, bottle feeding, disbudding - you know, all the fun stuff... LOL. I lost like 10lbs and fell asleep for like 12 hrs after the last set of kids was dry and just had dad check on them for a while.

This year is MOAR DOES due! Which sounds nice now, but I'll be wondering what I was thinking in 5 months...