sigh I hate my vet...

**mygoat** · #1 09/14/13, 12:11 PM

I'm pretty sure I just got fed a line of bullhockey from my vet.

First, we had discussed using lutelyse on the goats this year to sync heats for a couple that are hard to notice heats on and a couple that are young etc. So I called up today to pick some up - she is charging 3.50 per ml, so a 30ml bottle is 105.00! Ouch! I don't recall it costing that much anywhere else, so I look - PBS has 30ml for 17.00 and some change.

Soooo I call her back and ask if she'll call in or write an Rx for me, so I can order it and just get it that way.

She said they don't write Rx's, because they can't trust the product. She then told me that when products expire, people send the products back to the company who reconstitutes them, repackages, and resells them to the companies like PBS, who then sell them cheap. She claims she cannot get lute for anywhere NEAR 17.00 per bottle, and is only making a LITTLE money even though the cost is so high. She then told me a story about how they ordered vaccines that way for someone's horses - and 3 of the 4 horses got abscesses at the injection site (which sounds more like the person giving the vaccine screwed up with handling or cleanliness!) I told her I'd have to think about it, but I think she knows I was skeptical.

So, then I called PBS - the lady there said she had NEVER heard of anything like that and did NOT believe that to be the case at all.

Of course my other vet is closed so they only have an emergency line. I'm going to call them Monday. I need the lute next weekend. Problem is my other vet is likely to be more difficult to work with and less willing to sell me the things that I need.

Frustrating!

Alice In TX/MO · #2 09/14/13, 12:24 PM

Yep. Several lines of bull hockey.

Alice In TX/MO · #3 09/14/13, 12:25 PM

http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.h...2-00b0d0204ae5

Alice In TX/MO · #4 09/14/13, 12:29 PM

I know some folks here are using CIDR and a different hormone. I found this:

http://www.dairygoatinfo.com/f28/bre...ongoing-16550/

Cannon_Farms · #5 09/14/13, 12:35 PM

$34 @ my vet

catspjamas · #6 09/14/13, 12:39 PM

She's charging you by the dose, and not selling you the whole bottle? A 100ml bottle is less than $60.00 to the vet. She should be able to order you a 30ml bottle and sell you the whole bottle. She doesn't sound like a large animal vet, but a small animal vet that has some large animal clients, and she's trying to charge you for meds the same way she charges the small animal clients, by the dose.

Haven't heard of PBS, but I do know for small animal meds, especially with the flea products and heartworm products, PetMeds was very underhanded in their practices. So some vets became leery of online pet pharmacies, and don't like writing Rx to them.

yarrow · #7 09/14/13, 12:41 PM

I pay less then $19.00 for a 30ml FROM my vet...actually I can get it for less then twenty bucks from ALL the vets in a 50 mile area (so that's which is INCLUDING their MARK-UP)... you vet is on crack...

that's for Lutalyse from Pfizer.. not some weird knock-off company..exp.. 04/15

susie, mo ozarks

CathyGo · #8 09/14/13, 01:39 PM

Your vet would hate me. I would tell her to knock off the BS and let's talk some realistic numbers.

**mygoat** · #9 09/14/13, 01:42 PM

I use CIDRs and PG600 already and it works pretty well. It did NOT work very well for doelings or for one of my does who shows almost no heat signs with CIDRs. Also, I now have a friends' doe who I tried to use a CIDR in last year - she'd squeeze up and holler, and no matter how many times I tried there was still half of a CIDR hanging out her rear end. I'll try it again this year but I doubt anything will have changed and I'll just be traumatizing her again, lol.

What I want to do is REPLACE the CIDR with lutelyse. I haven't ever done CIDR and Lute - just CIDR and PG600. Essentially the protocol is to give two shots of 2ml lute, 10-14 days apart. The same time as the 2nd shot, also give 2ml PG600. Then, toss them in with the buck and let him figure it out.

For AI, I still plan on using CIDRs/PG600 on everybody if possible.

yarrow · #10 09/14/13, 01:51 PM

Since the first two groups of CIDR'd does who got the PG600 and DIDN'T come into heat for days afterwards.. I just gave up on it.. pulled CIDRs in the next 2 groups on day 21 (without giving the PG600) 100% of those does came in within 24/48 hours of having the CIDRs removed.. all have bred. (we'll wait and see who/if anyone recycles).. (the non PG600 groups are having hard/yelling/screaming heats.. the PG600 group.. some had raging heats, some were more subdued then usual.. time will tell which groups have the best conception rates/number of kids.

susie, mo ozarks

Doug Hodges · #11 09/14/13, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by yarrow

Since the first two groups of CIDR'd does who got the PG600 and DIDN'T come into heat for days afterwards.. I just gave up on it.. pulled CIDRs in the next 2 groups on day 21 (without giving the PG600) 100% of those does came in within 24/48 hours of having the CIDRs removed.. all have bred. (we'll wait and see who/if anyone recycles).. (the non PG600 groups are having hard/yelling/screaming heats.. the PG600 group.. some had raging heats, some were less subdued then usual.. time will tell which groups have the best conception rates/number of kids.

susie, mo ozarks

I wondered about that. I heard you didn't need the PG600. I will just buy CIDR's next time.

**mygoat** · #12 09/14/13, 06:11 PM

CIDRs alone during the breeding season should work. OUT of a normal breeding season it's really a good idea to use PG600. I use PG600 to make *sure*. I do it the easy way and throw them in with the buck and let him figure it out, I don't need to see a heat - he does.

I did buy marking harnesses this year so I can tell how 'bred' the does were by how colorful they are.

Awnry Abe · #13 09/14/13, 09:43 PM

Dona, maybe your vet is buying someone else's bull hockey, and is "passin the savings on to you". If they have no incentive to shop around for their customers, why should they? Sorta like *our* medical system...

Matters not. Either way you slice it, you didn't hear the truth.

Donna1982 · #14 09/15/13, 12:15 AM

I have the worse vet for over pricing (70 for fecals) and I paid 39 bucks for my bottle

JBarGFarmKeeper · #15 09/15/13, 08:08 AM

I pay about $50 for the 100 ml bottle...

Yup, something is smelling rank...

JBarGFarmKeeper · #16 09/15/13, 08:19 AM

This is an excerpt from a thread I started last November....Breeding options/solutions (very long)
"So, this fall, after breeding her, testing her and finding her open we again, we felt like she was in the same place BB was. I remembered reading on one of the Yahoo! groups that some people bring a doe in heat to be receptive to AI by giving a dose of Lute, waiting 10 days and giving another dose of Lute, then in 2 days, she'd be ready to breed. So, this is what we did with Gherkin. Two days after the second dose we bred her with live cover and gave her a 2cc shot of Cystorelin...and waited. After 30 days, we drew blood, sent it to Biotracking and, low and behold, again SHE WAS BRED! And for those of you that have used Biotracking for some time, it was .8086. In my experience, if a doe is at or above .5000 at 30 days, she is most assuredly bred. If the number is .3000 or below, uhhh, probably not even if they say yes. I have exceptions to this (like purposely drawing before 30 days) that can result in these tests being accurate."

She most assuredly did breed and this was the protocol and "old timer" posted to use on another group to prepared one's does for AI at a buck collection as well.

Doug Hodges · #17 09/15/13, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Donna1982

I have the worse vet for over pricing (70 for fecals) and I paid 39 bucks for my bottle

Wow. Either my vet isn't charging for fecals or its extremely cheap. I just pay the bill. The time I brought my goat in and she examined him, did fecals, gave shots, and sent me home with meds. The total bill was around 50 bucks. Last time I just brought poo in and they just charged me for meds.

anita_fc · #18 09/15/13, 05:48 PM

Geez. It sounds like some of the livestock vets have been attending small animal vet marketing seminars! My vet charges $8 for fecals.

Anita Crafton
Dan-Ani Pygmy Goats
Hansen, Idaho

bluemoonluck · #19 09/15/13, 06:18 PM

Legally a vet cannot force you to use "their" pharmacy. If they prescribe it, they HAVE to provide you with a written Rx if you request it.

I had a vet one time hassle me over writing an Rx to be filled elsewhere.... had to listen to the same song-and-dance you did. I told them that as a former licensed vet tech I knew the law and I wanted the written Rx. They made me sign something saying that they were giving me the written Rx against their recommendation LOL. It was a pre-printed form so I must not have been the only client to demand they follow the law.

jennigrey · #20 09/15/13, 07:43 PM

Mine wants $100 to cast her eyes on a goat in her office. Any procedure, meds or anything is extra. Farm call extra.

*sigh* I hate my vet...

sigh I hate my vet...