New Place to give CD & T Vaccine's!!

[Backfourty,MI.]

I have a friend that showed me a new place to give the CD & T vaccines this past weekend. A judge showed her at 1 of the shows she was at a few years ago.

It's in the back of the leg in the muscle. I did all my kids that needed their vaccine Tuesday, NO LUMPS, NO RUBBING, Nothing!
It was great.
They barely flinched, I just gave them a little grain & done.

I will never give them SQ over the ribs again.

I'll have dh take a picture later with my finger on the spot if anyone wants to see where I gave them.

[mygoat]

This is how I used to do it all the time. But, I will say any injections there do cause muscle damage and the leg muscle is a valuable cut. If you're raising for meat, I don't suggest it for the meat stock. I'll be vaccinating my keeper stock in the muscle. I am HORRIBLE at sub-q shots. The fusoguard vaccine I used this year was a million times worse than the CDT. Those really left lumps.

[dozedotz]

I vote for the photos!

[Bret4207]

I prefer to go sub-q if at all possible. I've given IM shots as directed by all the books and my vet and in 2 instances it resulted in nerve damage and permanent limps. The lumps go away, nerve damage doesn't.

[Donna1982]

I will have to try that this year. I was doing it SQ by the shoulder blade, then changed to under the armpit. Still leaves bumps

[CraterCove]

I was advised to give shots subcutaneously over the rib cage area to keep the shot site away from lymph-nodes. I was told it would help one identify adverse reactions to the shots from lymph reactions. I'd hesitate to use a leg muscle since I expect my culls to go in the pot and I want that roast!

[o&itw]

Ok, another one of my inumerable questions.

Why would a sub-Q shot cause damage to the leg meat? I could see it if it was IM, but don't understand how a sub-Q shot causes muscle damage.

[harvestmoonfarm]

Originally Posted by o&itw

Ok, another one of my inumerable questions.

Why would a sub-Q shoot cause damage to the leg meat? I could see it if it was IM, but don't understand how a sub-Q shot causes muscle damage.

The OP stated the shot was in the back of the leg "in the muscle," so IM

[o&itw]

Originally Posted by harvestmoonfarm

The OP stated the shot was in the back of the leg "in the muscle," so IM

I guess I need to learn to read more discernibly, huh?

Thanks for correcting my oversight.

[Ken in Maine]

Goats should always be given shots Sub-q because they are better able to metabolize the medication... however if you feel the need to inject IM do it in the neck... Other muscle is valuable meat and will be damaged. Most neck meat is ground and not prime cuts.

[CraterCove]

Question for all our super knowledgeable goaty people out there: I thought a goat's metabolism was such that they absorbed and metabolized things at a rate similar enough not to matter whether most things are given sub-q, IM or IV... or with some things orally? I'll bet Alice or Saanengirl knows for sure but that's the impression I was under.

[mygoat]

Metabolism doesn't matter anyways - a vaccine isn't really metabolized to get the response. An immune response is stimulated with a vaccine - a non-infectious (or non-damaging part of a toxin) but 'non-self' item is recognized and the body is triggered to make antibodies to whatever is there thus giving immunity when the body DOES encounter the *actual* pathogen or toxin. Eventually the contents of the injection are broken down and metabolized, but we don't care about that - we want the immune response, the metabolizing is just a necessary side product of getting rid of 'junk'.

Neck muscle is a good idea for small injections IM. Vaccines would qualify.

[Alice In TX/MO]

What Dona said.

[CraterCove]

I knew one of y'all would straighten that out for my poor brain.

[Jenniferlynne13]

Pictures of either location would be great...heck...if anyone wanted to share a step by step...I'd be ever so grateful!!! I'm a newbie at these shots...I bought the vaccine, and the syringes, but Need TO BITE the bullet and get it DONE...I'm just too "ASCARED" to do it....

[Pony]

I've not had any issue with IM other than bleeding from what must have been a nicked blood vessel. (Bright red blood on a black goat is quite impressive, BTW....)

I have got to give the goats their rabies vaccs this weekend. It's not going to do them any good sitting in the fridge. <sigh>

[Backfourty,MI.]

We raise dairy goats & I can see not wanting to do the IM shots if they are a meat breed.

Most of the time we all get lumps from the CD & T vaccine, doesn't matter the brand or where SQ it's given. Sometimes on my adults I don't get a lump or at least not too big but the babies most always do.
I will continue to give the CD & T shots in the back of the leg IM.
My friend has a large show herd of 45-50 goats & has done them this way for years without every having any nerve damage.

I will try & get pictures of the spot I gave the shots in tomorrow if it's not raining & still have a couple CD & T's to give in a couple weeks so I can have dh take pictures while I actually am giving the shot. Not sure about a video since neither of us are very techy but I can try.

[motdaugrnds]

I use to get lumps after those subq injections too; but that was before I learned how to keep the point of the needle just under the skin and out of the muscle. Also, I rub the spot real well after injections; so now I never get those lumps with shots under the skin.

I too raise dairy goats and the injections that go in the muscle always go in the back of the back leg; however, the goats that wind up in our freezers have rarely had those types of shots.

[Backfourty,MI.]

We always rub the area after the CD & T shot SQ too but still doesn't do a lot of good. I don't have a problem with SQ shots for any medication other than the CD & T's. I think it is just the medication itself most of the time.

[o&itw]

Question # (dang it I forgot the count) senility advancing rapidly

What is the advantages and disadvantages of Sub-Q and IM?
It seems, if there are no medical reasons, one would always pick Sub-Q

As for medication purposes for illness, does IM get the medicine in the bloodstream quicker?