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Old 06/22/13, 06:53 PM
 
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Rabies in Goats

There is a lady, in Bryan ,Texas whose doeling has died from rabies.The kid came from just south of the DFW area She was a well bred, well cared for little girl and it took a while for the vet to recognize it as rabies. Those of you in states like Texas know that rabies is something that is always around, but I've never thought about it in context of my goats. I'm not sure I'd be looking for that either.A&M told her that the cattle vaccine for rabies is easier on ruminants than the horse one,
especially for the pg ones. Do you vaccinate for Rabies?
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Old 06/22/13, 08:10 PM
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I don't vaccinate my goats for rabies although all our (inside & LGD's) get vaccinated for it. I too never think of rabies in terms of goats but I read that story & know it's possible.
I have read of it happening once before a long time ago too but had forgot until this story came out.
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I had to put a goat down for testing because he had suspicious signs. He first appeared to be choking, slinging cud, and was severely overheated. I hosed him off and shoved my fingers down his throat (and got bit badly by his molars.) Then he started acting like he was having neuro issues, and was gagging on water a few hours later. He was, fortunately, negative for rabies -- he had goat polio and might have been saved had I known for sure that was what was wrong -- but I couldn't take the chance.

I've had all five of my goats vaccinated since then, using the sheep vaccine. They didn't show any adverse effects. I now have peace of mind that if they show neurological symptoms it's very unlikely to be rabies. Most of the other diseases that mimic rabies have SOME potential of survival and are not easily transmitted to people.
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Old 06/23/13, 06:36 AM
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I just read the long post on this over on Facebook. I wish Caliann would post it here.
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I have never vaccinated livestock for rabies. But that experience is making me think about doing it. Good info on the cattle vs. horse vaccine.
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Old 06/23/13, 08:51 AM
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I vaccinate my horses, Mini donks, dogs and cats. Because there its no vaccine for goats I have never done it with them. On that FB post someone said to use the horse vaccine 2 cc's. I would really like more info on which vaccine to use. I'm going to talk to my vet. I would think the sheep vaccine would be best for goats but I have no clue
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Old 06/23/13, 09:52 AM
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Yes- all my animals get rabies shots. It is pretty common for wildlife to have outbreaks of rabies here. I don't want to have to even think about killing a neurologically symptomatic animal to check for rabies. I don't want them to get a disease that is impossible to cure. My vet uses the sheep one for the goats and the horse one for the horses.
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If there's a sheep one, why did A&M recommend the bovine one?
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I just read the long post on this over on Facebook. I wish Caliann would post it here.
Alice, it was my doeling that I lost to rabies. I wrote the story. As soon as i figure out how to copy and paste from ms word, I will get it posted here. Hopefully it will help others recognize symptoms. I was shocked that it happened to me.
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Old 06/23/13, 05:25 PM
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Josie, I'm so sorry about your girl.

We vaccinate our goats for rabies. The vet does it during her annual farm visit. The receipts always say "Imrab 2cc" but I don't know if it's horse or sheep vaccine.

In fact, the joke around here is that DH is the only mammal on the farm that isn't vaccinated for rabies. I had the series last summer after a suspected bat bite.
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Old 06/23/13, 05:51 PM
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Josie, I can copy the post from Facebook if you want. It's important information.

I am so sorry this happened.
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Oh, dear. Josie, I am so sorry!

Do they know what animal transmitted the virus to your goat?
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Alice, if you wouldn't mind, please post it here for me. Thank you everyone. It was awful and now i have 6 months of watching everyone else for symptoms. Pony, We have no idea. I never noticed a bite wound or a sick animal. The vet thinks most likely a skunk or bat.
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Old 06/23/13, 08:59 PM
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My Warning to Others (posted for Josie)
I have been raising goats for three years now. I thought I at least had some kind of clue as to what I was doing. I decided it was time to grade up from my starter goats to a registered herd of milk goats. I reserved my first two kids many months in advance from a very reputable breeder and anxiously awaited their arrival. I picked them up at one week old...bouncing and healthy and happy. Big, brown eyes and long, floppy ears and total baby goat cuteness, I was in love.

All kids had been dewormed the previous week and treated with Baycox for coccidiosis. I was feeding them 3 times a day, 20 oz bottles of warmed milk. Free choice Right Now Onyx minerals, baking soda, and nice coastal hay. They were getting maybe ½ a cup of my whole grain mix, plus alfalfa pellets in the evenings. A bit of grazing when I could supervise them.

Thursday, I let the babies out to play while I did chores. She was always a friendly kid, but she just wasn’t running and playing with the others like normal. She mostly stood near me and at times, pressed her head against me. Other than that, she seemed normal. She was eating and drinking and eliminating normally.

Friday morning she was normal. Friday night, she only took part of her bottle. Saturday morning she again took only part of her bottle. Saturday evening I noticed that her head was slightly tremoring. I treated her with Bendryl for a possible allergic reaction, Biomycin and B-Complex for good measure. I gave her a dose of Banamine for pain.

Sunday morning, same thing…she was hungry, but couldn’t really take a bottle. I continued treatment Sunday. Sunday morning, she was running a fever, Sunday night her temperature was normal (her sister served as the baseline). No improvement.

Monday morning I noticed that as she was walking towards me, her back leg crossed slightly over her midline and she kind of tripped herself, but kept her balance. I was really questioning my management practices at this point. My other four bottle babies continued to be fine, even though they shared bottles/nipples.

I started researching signs and symptoms and possibilities. I determined that she needed to be treated for Listerosis, Polio, White Muscle disease and Enterotoxemia. I discontinued treatment with Bendaryl and Biomycin. I did not have the Anti-Toxinto treat for Entero. Crap. I had asked about it a few months ago at the vet clinic, but hadn’t followed up on it. I started calling around. Our Co-Op said they carried it, but after I got there, they realized they only have the vaccine (Toxoid) not the Anti-Toxin. Our TSC does not carry it. My vet clinic doesn’t normally stock it.


I found this article here: http://www.goatworld.com/ This seemed to cover her symptoms. I proceeded to drench with Penicillin, B Complex, Thiamin and Baking soda. As I drenched her, she coughed and gagged and immediately fell over and went in to a seizure. I thought I had killed her. I have to say I was probably in shock. It was horrible to watch. After what seemed like an eternity, but was probably only seconds, she got up and acted relatively normal. I felt I had diagnosed the issue, and I hoped the treatment would take effect. I hoped I caught it early enough. I went to work. I called the vet on my way to work and left a message. I worked a half day and went home to check on her and repeat medications.

She was falling over and couldn’t get back up on her own without a struggle. If I helped her up, she could lean against me and stay upright. When she fell over, I could prop her up sternally and she could stay that way a bit, but once she stretched out, she couldn’t right herself. She had another seizure...non-med induced (before I redosed her). Her seizures were flopped over, stretched out rocking horse-like head pulled back and over to one side while screaming. Her eyes were “spinning” around in her head. It was awful. I thought she was dying. Meds should have been helping by now. They weren’t.

I considered putting her down at this point. Instead, I loaded her up and took her to the vet. I ordered the Anti-Toxin and had it overnighted. I gave the vet a list of symptoms and what I had done and treated with. The vet mentioned that in the back of our mind we need to think about rabies.

She(The goat, Allegra) needed Dexamethasone for brain swelling/Encephalitis. They continued treatment with Thiamine, Dex, Banamine, switched antibiotic to Excenel RTU and Anti-Toxin. They put her on IV fluids and tubed her. She never quit trying to take a bottle, but she just couldn’t. Some days she seemed a bit better, some days she seemed worse. A few times, we managed to prop her up sternally in the cage…often times, she would seize and lay flat out on her side, legs stiff and rigid, eyes spinning. She came down with pneumonia from laying recumbent too long. They tried to flip her every hour and kept her propped up with towels to make her more comfortable and to try and keep her from hurting herself when she had seizures. At some point they switched the antibiotic to Nuflor and then to Baytril.

I wanted to give her 3 days to make improvement. She wasn’t making any. I went and saw her again Friday after work. She was crying out and having a seizure, I made the call to have her put down. Hard decisions had been made; I said goodbye. I felt like I was giving up on her. She was still trying to take a bottle.

We scheduled a necropsy for Saturday morning. I wanted answers. I wanted to find out what I needed to do to protect the others and prevent this happening again. I was worried about Thiamin, Cobalt, Selenium or Copper deficiency. I wondered about an outside chance of Tetanus or Scrapies. Entero was still at the back of my mind. Treatment should have worked, unless I waited too long to treat for the right things? Man, goats are hard.

Saturday morning I went in to the clinic to observe the necropsy. They told me she had passed away during the night. I guess I made the right call then. I wish I had made it sooner and I would have, had I known. On necropsy, her heart and valves looked good, lungs were bad only part of one lobe was probably still working well. ----, she probably suffocated. Poor goat. Her stomach looked normal, not acidotic. Her intestines looked normal…she was still making pellets. We ruled out Anthrax-her blood was clotting. The vet took a sample of spinal fluid to look at. She saw bacteria and possible fungus? Sent this on to the lab for confirmation. She took a urine sample to check for bacteria as well. Kidneys and ovaries looked good. Her liver had some striations that she called small abcesses. Took a sample to send in to the lab. I asked for a mineral panel to check for deficiencies. We sent the head off for rabies testing. Then, asked them to send it back so we could send it off for Scrapies testing. Waiting on results drug on and on. Everything was sent off Monday morning for testing.

Wednesday afternoon, I got a call from the vet to say the results of the rabies test had come back positive. Wow. Not something I had expected.
The Texas department of Health & Human Services called me to conduct a phone interview. They determined that I needed to go in for “rabies shots” --Actually Immunoglobulin to counteract exposure and then a series of 4 rabies vaccines to provide future immunity. Egads, this is expensive.

My farm is quarantined for 6 months for the high risk of exposure animals—the other bottle babies and for 45 days on my previously vaccinated, but current animals. I was required to make a decision to either euthanize my high risk animals, which they recommended, or to vaccinate them and then watch for symptoms. I chose to vaccinate. The protocol depends on the age of the kids. Some will require two boosters and the youngest will require a third. I also chose to vaccinate/revaccinate everything on my place. I am holding my breath until they are in the clear.

Only on looking back now do I realize that she first exhibited neurological symptoms (head pressing) on 6/6, Thursday. I had not had any firsthand experience with any of these issues and was going off of information I had read. That made it really hard to know when to draw the line. I hope that someone out there can benefit from my experience. I also hope that none of you have to go through this at your farms.
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Man.

Josie... wow. I am so beyond sorry for your agony.

Thank you for sharing this with us.

Folks, what are your vets/experts saying about vaccinating goats? Which vaccine? What dosage?

Just realized the pup isn't vaccinated yet. Better take care of that this week.
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Very scary...thanks for sharing. We've had 3 confirmed cases of rabies in bats in the last couple of weeks which is extremely high considering they just came out of hibernation recently. We usually don't see three confirmed cases all season so I'm a little worried. And my daughter's cat caught a bat the other night. Will be calling the vet to see if his rabies shot is definitely up to date and see if he needs a booster.
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Josie, I'm so sorry about your girl.

We vaccinate our goats for rabies. The vet does it during her annual farm visit. The receipts always say "Imrab 2cc" but I don't know if it's horse or sheep vaccine.
I'm sure that the vaccine I bought for the orphaned raccoons we raised a few years back was labeled "Imrab" for dogs, cats, and horses. This surprised me as back in a 1989 college microbiology class the instructor had a vet background and I always remembered him saying that horses were either the only, or one of the only, mammals that would not acquire rabies. Made sense at the time as I had horses and had never heard of an equine vaccine. Years later there are horses succumbing to it. What gives?


So sorry for your experience, you have a lot to consider and decisions to make while you sit and watch. Thanks for sharing, it is very useful information for us all.
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I'm sure that the vaccine I bought for the orphaned raccoons we raised a few years back was labeled "Imrab" for dogs, cats, and horses. This surprised me as back in a 1989 college microbiology class the instructor had a vet background and I always remembered him saying that horses were either the only, or one of the only, mammals that would not acquire rabies. Made sense at the time as I had horses and had never heard of an equine vaccine. Years later there are horses succumbing to it. What gives?


So sorry for your experience, you have a lot to consider and decisions to make while you sit and watch. Thanks for sharing, it is very useful information for us all.
I sold a horse to a man in Virginia who wouldn't take delivery till the horse was vaccinated here in Idaho. Which was difficult because they don't routinely vaccinate for rabies here. Anyway, the man had lost his previous horse to the furious form of rabies and it bit it's own leg so hard, it broke the leg.
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I had a friend lose a broodmare to rabies years ago in WI. Horses can get rabies and there is a vaccine for them.
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Josie..I am so sorry for what you are going through and so thankful you are sharing your story. My situation isn't life threatening for humans but I understand the helpless feeling of watching and waiting. ((((big huggs)))))
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