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Old 06/02/13, 01:56 PM
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Giving away goat with CL - any takers?

I have a goat with several health issues, including a positive test for CL. I am keeping her until the baby is weaned in a couple weeks or so and have been treating a cluster of CL lumps with formalin to try and keep one from popping and contaminating the kid.

She has been quarantined away from the rest of my herd the two times CL flared up. She didn't have a baby the first time and was miserable but is better this time with the kid to keep her company. Since my plan is to remove the kid ASAP, I am going to either have to find her a new home or put her down. She was a wreck the first time I removed the kid for dehorning and such and went plowing through the electric fence.

Either way, she is a nice and friendly goat and I hate to just put her down. I am willing to give her away to anyone who isn't afraid of CL. The rest of my herd is clean and I would like to keep it that way. She is about 2 years old and recently kidded for the first time.

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Old 06/02/13, 01:57 PM
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I am in the Missouri Ozarks about 10 miles south of Rolla. Again, I plan to keep her another 10-14 days until I feel the kid can make it on its own, then get rid of her.

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Old 06/02/13, 03:36 PM
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Better to put her down, IMHO. CL is nothing to fool with.

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You want to give away a diseased goat? No thanks. Put her down.

Can you be sure that no one in the receiving family has an undiagnosed immune system disorder that makes them vulnerable?

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Old 06/02/13, 04:35 PM
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You do not have a clean herd. You have CL on your premises.

It is often hard to do the right thing, but in this case, the right thing is to put that poor doe down. As it is, the kid you intend to keep is also at risk - as would be the family and land of anyone who took her in. You can only see the external abscesses. What about the internal ones?

You say you want someone "who isn't afraid of CL." We ALL should have a very healthy respect for this disease and yes, even a little fear.

Do the right thing. Don't try to pass your problem on to someone else.

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Old 06/02/13, 07:36 PM
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I have been told to put her down by all but one person. I know others that think CL isn't a huge deal but she has other health issues which would be minor on their own. It is just she had so many. I went ahead and vaccinated all my others with the sheep vaccine as soon as I saw a bump. This was before I had the lump lanced and tested at the vet. I gave her three doses of the vaccine as I knew she was pregnant and wanted immunity possibly passed along. The kid is probably too young for it to matter but I vaccinated her too at about 3 weeks.

Either way, how should I dispose of the carcass? Pile up all the cedars I don't want on my property and put her in the middle and light them on fire? I want this gone.

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So sorry, no one is trying to be harsh, but being realistic especially since she has other issues. Burning is probably the best as it can live in the soil for years given the right environment.

Kids' immune systems aren't mature enough to process vaccines until at least 8 to 10 to 12 weeks old depending on who you talk too. 3 weeks old and a vaccine probably would be a wash. Make sure you booster accordingly. The makers of the vaccine should be able to give you desired ages for inoculations.

I wish you well. No one wants to deal with a situation that may decimate our herd.

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Old 06/02/13, 08:18 PM
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My heart goes out to you. It's frightening and hard to deal with. Yessum, I'd give her a funeral pyre and remember the good things about her.

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Old 06/02/13, 08:41 PM
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I like Alice's use of "funeral pyre." That is a good way to look at it.

It is also a good way to deal with it. Fire purifies.

Really sorry you're going through this, and I did not mean to be harsh, but there are some things about which you must be decisive. Infectious disease is one of those things.

I hope you never ever see CL ever ever again.

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I agree with the others here, be thankful for what she's given you & give her a funeral like Alice suggested but I would No way want any CL goat near my farm.
Again not trying to be mean but putting her down is best all the way around.
I am so sorry your going through this though, heartbreaking I'm sure.

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Old 06/03/13, 11:21 AM
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I know. The reality is harsh but I have pretty much made my decision to put her down when the baby is weaned. I plan to booster the baby with vaccine at least two more times as I know that 3 weeks likely did little, if any good. It was the last dose in the vial and I figured I would go ahead and use it.

I am hoping that I have this pretty well contained by having her in quarantine. My only fear would be an internal abscess allowed this to come out through droppings or urine.

I am going to keep the baby and keep an eye on her. I know this can remain latent for quite some time and how long is normal?

I am going to start cutting some more cedars so that they are semi-dried out in a couple weeks when I have to do this.

Thanks,

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Old 06/03/13, 01:52 PM
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There is a CL vaccine for goats now...
http://www.jefferspet.com/cl-bacteri...40569/cn/3301/

So sorry you are going through this....

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Any idea why the vaccine is restricted in so many states?
I would like to order it but i am in VA and it says it is restricted.

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Get rid of the baby too if you honestly don't want anymore cl. Sorry but drinking from the udder is rather bad, at exposing them. At the very least I would wean her now no matter the age. Tube feed her if you have too, she is either young enough to take a bottle or old enough to eat good grain and browse.

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My only suggestion would be to talk to your vet and seek REAL, professional advice about CL, CAE, etc. Most of what you are reading on message boards is completely false. Talk to someone who actually went to medical school before you let a bunch of strangers scare the bejeebers out of you on various message boards over this. You know, almost 80% + of all goat herds in this nation are exposed to CL. And yet, not everyone is dying willy nilly in the human realm from the disease. Talk to your vet. He actually has medical license, and can give you facts instead of just gossip.

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Old 06/03/13, 05:37 PM
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I deleted my original opening statement so that I don't get into trouble. I will say that the poster above is incorrect.

Nobody SAID people were dying willy nilly.

Read the Merck Manual online.

80% is not accurate, either. Good grief.

What it boils down to is that dairy goat folks who KNOW what it is do not want it in their herds. Period.

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Old 06/03/13, 05:53 PM
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Thank you, Alice. You saved me a lot of grief (and perhaps deletion) over what I was going to post.

The person who posted the nay-saying about concerns over CL doesn't realize that the US herds that have CL would not have CL a high incidence if everyone culled aggressively. The numbers in the UK are much lower. Why? Because they don't tolerate the spread of the disease.

And as Alice quite accurately points out, what it boils down to is, people who have seen it in their and other herds, people who have witnessed and experienced the devastation of CL, do NOT want it in their herds, and will not knowingly take in such animals.

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I'm sorry Alice. I didn't realize you had a vet's license. I'm not that familiar with all the people's professions on here.

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I'm sorry Alice. I didn't realize you had a vet's license.
Oh, do you? Really?

Have you even worked as a veterinary technician? What exactly is your field, that you can call into question a person's experience?

And will you tell us all, please, where you found all these educated veterinarians who are so loaded with knowledge of goats and zoonotic disease? They seem to be as scarce as hen's teeth.
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